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I have beliefs that many people disagree with. Spiritual/religious beliefs, financial beliefs, beliefs about how to deal with relationships, beliefs about how the world works, etc etc.
I believe those beliefs are right as a matter of fact and not as a matter of opinion. I don’t think it would be good for me to share those with my kids by saying something like “this is just my truth, and you get to discover your own truth”. Truth is a fucking honey badger, it doesn’t give a shit. I think sometimes it’s just best to say “this is the way life works” to my kids.
But I’ve noticed when other parents with this mindset teach their kids things that go against what I teach mine, it’s easy to call it brainwashing.
So, what’s the difference between brainwashing your kids and simply teaching them truth? This is a question that sticks in the back of mind, especially since, as I frequently discover, I'm not right about everything.
I asked an older, wiser friend about this, and he said “you don't call it brainwashing when your kids learn math. They're just learning truth.”
But still, I think about friends I grew up with who used to share my beliefs, and how today, they claim they were brainwashed.

Here’s my theory:

The difference between being taught math and the way some of my friends were taught to believe certain things is that everyone is allowed and encouraged to ask the hard questions about math. You’re supposed to put it to the test, figure out what works and what doesn’t. Troubleshoot your own thinking so you can build solid reasoning around your own pattern recognition skills.
For so many, that’s not allowed when it comes to values or moral beliefs.
So I think when hard questions are dismissed, you might as well be brainwashed.
As a funny example, this is why I think we have so many flat-earthers. In my conversations with flat-earthers (yes, that is a real thing that happens), they share the exact same experience I hear from my friends who moved on from their childhood beliefs. “We're told to just trust it, and we're demeaned if we even try to be curious and ask the hard questions. It’s all a toxic attempt to control and brainwash you!”

Ok, seems simple enough - just let your kids be curious and don’t dismiss their questions, right?

That doesn’t really change the fact that they’re going to have a heavy bias towards anything you say - you’re their parent. If you give them all the information and let them ask all the questions, you’re still only teaching them why you believe what you believe, and if a flat earther were to do the same thing, most of us would still say that kid is brainwashed.
Here’s what I think the solution is….
a) it’s more important to teach our kids HOW to think, rather than what to believe b) as early and as much as possible, you have to trust your kid to do that well and hope they come to the right conclusions on their own c) you’re not right about everything d) therefore, read (b) again
Obviously I'm not saying don't teach your kids what you believe and why, but I think we have to act intentionally and somewhat counterintuitively to prioritize teaching them HOW to think.
I will freely admit that I don’t think I can move into those stages yet since my kids are on the younger side... So I’m speaking out of my experience as a former kid, not as a parent.
I’m curious if parents of older kids would agree with that solution, and how you've navigated this issue.

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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @IamSINGLE 6h
I believe we should not impose any faiths and beliefs on children and let them explore the truth. They will at times come asking for the truth then parents needs to tell them their view but also tell them the contradictory.
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You should for sure expose your kids to ideas and beliefs that you personally do not agree with.
But you're also allowed to tell your kids what you believe.
A healthy upbringing does both. Give them the freedom to become who they want to be but don't bent over backwards to raise them in artificial neutrality like an uprooted plant in a terrarium.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nym 6h
I agree, let them explore
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I talked about this here: #852848
But, basically, I consider it "teaching" if you explain why you believe what you believe in a way that they can also explain and defend to others.
If you simply tell them "this is good, this is bad" and they never develop an ability to explain their reasoning to others, then that's brainwashing.
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Dang - I meant to actually call out your post since it inspired this one and forward a sat percentage from this post over to you. Kicking myself for forgetting that. I'll zap that one again real quick.
Everyone, read that ^ post 😬👍🏼
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No worries, I just want to encourage good conversations :) Zaps are just a bonus.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 6h
I have kids in Elementary, middle school (6 - 11 years old).
I don't mind telling them how I think the world works, explaining why I think that. I often express strong opinions about what we see other people doing in the world (that is awesome! Those people are shits.)
But I try to make sure they get to prove me wrong every so often (at least once a month).
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One man's education is another's brainwashing.
Jokes aside I agree with you that there is truth and we should convey those. I just don't think I'll be particularly successful about that, to my kids certainly, when I can't seem to get that truth across to friends and family already. Why would a rebellious teenager see what I'm conveying?
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You nailed it. The argument is moot, and as parents we get a little narcissistic about thinking we can mold and shape our kid's thoughts. They're autonomous beings who will probably be able to think at least as well as us. Whether you call it teaching or brainwashing won't matter.
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When I think about brainwashing, one of the big components is exclusion of other perspectives.
I'll state what I believe to be facts plainly and explain those beliefs, but I also don't go out of my way to correct everything my daughter learns at school or from her mom or grandparents when I disagree.
She's still quite young, so this hasn't been thoroughly put to the test yet. My intention is to let her know if I think something's incorrect and explain why if she wants to know.
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As others have noted, teaching someone how to think and reason when teaching them helps keep things on the non-brainwashing side of things. That said, most of us have some beliefs (religious, political, economic) that we tend to view as strongly as those math ones, and consider them "truth" in a way that questioning them feels like an attack. I don't know if there's an easy answer about how to draw the line on those, since sometimes even discussing them just goes straight to our emotional lizard brains without ever hitting a logic circuit.
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11 sats \ 6 replies \ @Satosora 13h
Have you seen Daniel Tiger? Man, I feel that is massive brainwashing.
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How so?
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11 sats \ 4 replies \ @Satosora 13h
First off, have you ever sat down to watch it?
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Yep! Been a while, my kids were too young to really remember much. Curious what your take is, nothing bad really stood out to me.
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora 13h
I just felt that my brother was able to get his daughter to do what he wanted by singing some of the songs. It was just eerie.
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Ha, that's funny. Songs are a great motivating tool for kids imo. Picks up their spirits a bit and helps them remember things.
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There are other things from that show that bother me. I didnt watch it enough to really put my finger on it, though. I cant be the only one who thinks like that for some of these kids shows.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mrsu 1h
I believe there's a difference between facts and truths. Maths or the shape of the earth are facts, whereas religion or beliefs about money are truths. Facts are the same for everyone, whether you believe it of not, whereas truths can be different for different people.
Either way, if you don't "brainwash" your own kids, someone else will. Better to instill your truths or values even if they may be wrong rather than letting someone else do it.
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if you teach them not to think for themselves, and discourage critical thinking, you are brain washing them.
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Teaching the truth to your kids is what you do (even if it's not the actual truth). Brainwashing your kids is what other people who disagree with you say that you're doing.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kenn_b 13h
may the force be with you
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