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111 sats \ 5 replies \ @freetx 28 Feb \ parent \ on: The talks between Trump and Zelenskyy are getting WILD news

From reading some more online, this is what I gather has gone down.

  • US wanted Ukraine to give up portions of land already controlled by Russia to Russia
  • US wanted Ukraine to sign minerals deal with US to pay back loan

Zelensky agrees to those 2 points, but he makes it contingent that US provide "security guarantee"

Trump refuses this as it keeps US perpetually on the hook if and when fighting reignites.

Thats what led to the blowup in the meeting.

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 28 Feb

Thanks, that's useful to know

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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Trump should make a deal with Putin:
Donbas is neutral
Crimea stays in Russia
US extracts minerals from Ukraine
new elections in Ukraine to get rid of Zelensky

update: new leader of Germany publicly supports Zelensky, which is symbolic only

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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @freetx 28 Feb

The current blow up puts weird pressure on Putin. If he continues to attack it makes it look like either (a) he and Trump are secretly ganging up on zelensky (which Trump would hate) and/or (b) that he is disrespecting Trump and destroying Trump's peace promise which hurts him politically.

Its a tough call on how to proceed.

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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Putin cares mainly about:
no NATO membership for Ukraine
Crimea stays in Russia
Donbas is independent

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30 sats \ 0 replies \ @freetx 28 Feb

Putin has basically won any way you look at it....

I think the biggest loser is going to be Europe because they will get sucked into the mess

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