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Provocative title, yes yes (I don't have a dog in this man-woman, fertility crisis, trad-wife type convos but I've definitely found some of the reasoning interest, e.g., Bushido #861088 -- and my implicit bias(!), coming from the Nordics is definitely in one direction #873759).

It's not obvious to me that a society that celebrates working women is better (or worse!) than ones that don't. And these rankings have some sort of "better life" at the top with "worse life" at the bottom -- but not entirely: does anyone think Japan or Switzerland are bad places to live, immoral societies of handmaid's tale oppression?
The chart also reveals a big nothingburger: OK, almost nothing changing, apart form a few specific countries.
Women across the OECD graduate from university at much higher rates than men. As of last year, 45% of women had a degree, compared with 36.9% of men—a slightly bigger gap than in 2023.
also:
More generous policies exist in Hungary and Slovakia, where mothers receive the equivalent of fully paid leave for 79 weeks and 69 weeks, respectively. Leave for fathers is also important—it prevents companies from discriminating against women and helps share the burden of child care. Surprisingly, Japan and South Korea have the most generous paternity-leave policies in the OECD (though few new fathers choose to stay at home).
Culture, values, and policies intersect.

What do you think are good trade-offs and values here?


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43 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 1h
I prefer working ( at home ) in something I enjoy.
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203 sats \ 3 replies \ @Aardvark 7h
I think families should be able to support themselves on one wage again. I don't care who stays home with the children, man or woman, but I think someone should be able to.
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44 sats \ 0 replies \ @fishious 5h
To put it bluntly, it has to be the mom, because children (0-3 yrs old) seek the mom. It's just innate instinct for babies to cling to the mom, and that's not going to change. Maybe the dad can switch places once they are more grown up, but by then the dad has most likely advanced in their career to the point where it wouldn't make sense financially.
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Make Homemaking Great Again
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark 7h
Absolutely. The family is getting crushed
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30 sats \ 1 reply \ @Satosora 4h
I dont know if that is the question to be asking. The question to ask is, when is ai and robotics going to do all the work so humans can relax? Does anyone need to work? I dont know how finances will work in that kind of world, though.
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The question to ask is, when is ai and robotics going to do all the work so humans can relax?
Historically, it's never been the case that technology has caused us to work significantly less. During the industrial revolution, people also wondered whether anyone would need to work in the future. But than work less, it turned out that people worked about the same but just ended up producing and consuming more.
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29 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 52m
This title. Uh, when have women not worked? The framing in modern times is so off. The idea that it is historically some sort of custom for women to not work is absurd. The only reason anyone can not work is due to wealth. There was a short period of time in the US (not sure if it was common elsewhere) where technology and wealth allowed women a life of leasure.
Typically people just assume work is having a job or business. The idea of employment is fairly modern. Work is far more. Birth control as well as feminine hygiene products have provided more options for women in the modern workforce. The idea that working towards other endeavors is not work I reject.
Woman are their own worst enemies. I have heard so many women ridicule other women that "don't work". I'm not sure if it is jealousy or what but there is far more judgment coming from their own sex than men. That's my experience.
Families should do what they think is best. Period. I have my opinions on it but it's a very personal topic.
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The issue I have is about our cultural messaging that radically deprioritizes family and social life. That's not just an issue for women, but pregnancy makes this inherently asymmetrical.
See my popular rant for more: #496016
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a post in the 400,00s? Jeez, Undisc has been around the block eh
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He's been stacking since #88718
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I had never looked back at what my first item was.
Looks like I came in hot.
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You took no prisoners
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Sometimes I feel like I've lost my fast ball, when I read old comments.
Dude's a machiiiiine
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For profit corporate childcare is a disgrace - it is producing dysfunctional sociopath citizens. Children dumped off at corporate childcare before properly bonding with their mother...no honest pediatrician could defend this mass scale abuse of childrens development requirements. Feminism is a societal poison.
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Feminism is a societal poison
Tell us how you really feel
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Have also given you the reasoning behind that feeling. Do you understand the complex and vital role the bonding of a baby to its mother/primary carer has? It lays the foundations for the ability to feel and reason.
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Yes, in the kitchen
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LOL! I guess we don't have many women on SN
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