Provocative title, yes yes (I don't have a dog in this man-woman, fertility crisis, trad-wife type convos but I've definitely found some of the reasoning interest, e.g., Bushido #861088 -- and my implicit bias(!), coming from the Nordics is definitely in one direction #873759).
It's not obvious to me that a society that celebrates working women is better (or worse!) than ones that don't. And these rankings have some sort of "better life" at the top with "worse life" at the bottom -- but not entirely: does anyone think Japan or Switzerland are bad places to live, immoral societies of handmaid's tale oppression?
The chart also reveals a big nothingburger: OK, almost nothing changing, apart form a few specific countries.
Women across the OECD graduate from university at much higher rates than men. As of last year, 45% of women had a degree, compared with 36.9% of men—a slightly bigger gap than in 2023.
also:
More generous policies exist in Hungary and Slovakia, where mothers receive the equivalent of fully paid leave for 79 weeks and 69 weeks, respectively. Leave for fathers is also important—it prevents companies from discriminating against women and helps share the burden of child care. Surprisingly, Japan and South Korea have the most generous paternity-leave policies in the OECD (though few new fathers choose to stay at home).
Culture, values, and policies intersect.
What do you think are good trade-offs and values here?What do you think are good trade-offs and values here?
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I think families should be able to support themselves on one wage again. I don't care who stays home with the children, man or woman, but I think someone should be able to.
Make Homemaking Great Again
Absolutely. The family is getting crushed
To put it bluntly, it has to be the mom, because children (0-3 yrs old) seek the mom. It's just innate instinct for babies to cling to the mom, and that's not going to change. Maybe the dad can switch places once they are more grown up, but by then the dad has most likely advanced in their career to the point where it wouldn't make sense financially.
The issue I have is about our cultural messaging that radically deprioritizes family and social life. That's not just an issue for women, but pregnancy makes this inherently asymmetrical.
See my popular rant for more: #496016
a post in the 400,00s? Jeez, Undisc has been around the block eh
He's been stacking since #88718
I had never looked back at what my first item was.
Looks like I came in hot.
You took no prisoners
Sometimes I feel like I've lost my fast ball, when I read old comments.
Dude's a machiiiiine
I always say to her: If we don't need money, study and get better to work for your dream job.
We don't have kids but I constantly remind my girl of her independence. I would never want her to feel trapped or forced to stay with me, this also serves as a way to feel that she chooses me, willingly, everyday.
Plus she has a wallet that I cannot access (the same for me) to further protect independence.
In summary give a wallet to your partner if they don't already own one, the feeling of being chosen from your partner is way better than the feeling of having one.
Wise words
I prefer working ( at home ) in something I enjoy.
For profit corporate childcare is a disgrace - it is producing dysfunctional sociopath citizens.
Children dumped off at corporate childcare before properly bonding with their mother...no honest pediatrician could defend this mass scale abuse of childrens development requirements.
Feminism is a societal poison.
Tell us how you really feel
Have also given you the reasoning behind that feeling.
Do you understand the complex and vital role the bonding of a baby to its mother/primary carer has?
It lays the foundations for the ability to feel and reason.
sound argument
It's never made sense to me to work a job all day just to pay someone else to raise kids. It's crazy that raising your own children isn't seen as the noblest profession. The government hates it because it's tax free labor.
There's something to that, eh
Feminism is a contradiction in terms.
This title. Uh, when have women not worked? The framing in modern times is so off. The idea that it is historically some sort of custom for women to not work is absurd. The only reason anyone can not work is due to wealth. There was a short period of time in the US (not sure if it was common elsewhere) where technology and wealth allowed women a life of leasure.
Typically people just assume work is having a job or business. The idea of employment is fairly modern. Work is far more. Birth control as well as feminine hygiene products have provided more options for women in the modern workforce. The idea that working towards other endeavors is not work I reject.
Woman are their own worst enemies. I have heard so many women ridicule other women that "don't work". I'm not sure if it is jealousy or what but there is far more judgment coming from their own sex than men. That's my experience.
Families should do what they think is best. Period. I have my opinions on it but it's a very personal topic.
I dont know if that is the question to be asking.
The question to ask is, when is ai and robotics going to do all the work so humans can relax?
Does anyone need to work?
I dont know how finances will work in that kind of world, though.
Historically, it's never been the case that technology has caused us to work significantly less. During the industrial revolution, people also wondered whether anyone would need to work in the future. But than work less, it turned out that people worked about the same but just ended up producing and consuming more.
Yes, in the kitchen
LOL! I guess we don't have many women on SN
All of those that are not in the kitchen are having fun making laundry.
Yes. I don't work, so if my wife will be staying at home every day as well we would hate each other.
bad combo, eh!
There are some professions where women's work is useful, but overall women's employment is generally counter-productive. They introduce excessive politics in the work place and do not have the intelligence (on average) to contribute to the knowledge-based post industrial economy. This can be seen by looking at the declining of the standard of living since the 1960s
Ouch! intelligence!