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It's the case of totally missing the forest for the trees. In the long run, without Block Subsidy, the only thing keeping Bitcoin going is fee pressure. Transactions. The desire and demand to transact in Bitcoin.
The End.
No, that's not today but eventually it will be.
And if Bitcoin is so great, so necessary, so relevant, and so irreplaceable... a few things are logically true:
  1. Using Bitcoin becomes an economic imperative - for the individual, for the family, for the business, for the corporation, for the nation.
  2. Since it's 'imperative' everyone will want and need to use it, therefore the demand to use it will be high.
  3. Since the 'demand' is high it will be relatively expensive to use. How expensive no-one knows... but if that 3 sats/vb fee costs ~ 40 cents for a transaction today... At 60 sats/vb it's 8$ for a basic transaction.
At 100 sats/vb that's ~13$ for a transaction, or maybe double that (25$) to open a Lightning Channel.
That's at 30x current, sustained blockspace demand and my brothers and sisters if Bitcoin is so great that is fucking cheap.
And if people don't pay and can't pay and aren't interested enough in transacting in Bitcoin, spending 25$ at 30x current blockspace demand to open one Lightning channel to make an unlimited number of cheap and instant transactions using the "greatest money" ever devised...
Then What Future does Bitcoin have?

Mara 'mined' this transaction today in block 894667
It consumed nearly an entire block at ~ 3 sats/vb
and cost the 'transactors' 2,952,726 Sats or ~ 2800$
It had one utxo output... for 6969 sats obviously just to troll.
And mathematically at 30x demand for Blockspace, inevitable if Bitcoin is to become the baselayer global monetary asset it would cost ~ 84000$ to mine.
Because of this I think it's logical, necessary, and consistent to include almost any and all transactions that pay the fee because at real demand for blockspace - NECESSARY FOR BITCOIN'S long-term SURVIVAL ANYWAY - JPEGS become so prohibitive, so expensive for 99.9% of uses...
That we must depend on the fee-market for what is and isn't Bitcoin, for free-market selection, and for Bitcoin's ultimate, long-term survival.
The 'transactors' haven't created Bitcoin out of thin air, they haven't broken consensus, they haven't "stolen" from anyone else, they have paid the fee, and they have gone to a miner directly to publish a NON-STANDARD transaction...
Paying more money than most people on Earth make in a month. Outbidding the anemic 1 or 2 sats/vb of everything else in the mempool.
So if Bitcoin's fee market, the monetary market cannot compete with the others in the world, if it is and remains so anemic with demand so low as to have blockspace be practically free where a monkey JPEG can outbid other usage...
Then what are we doing? What is the future?

There is serious on-going debate about op_return and whether we need 'more outputs' or 'fewer outputs' or 'more bytes' or 'fewer bytes' or the 'correct number' if that's 80 or 140 or 250 or whatever...
It's like arguing "about the Polkas."
From the Robin Williams film Good Morning Vietnam:
Sir if it is my programming choices I can change. I've been broadcasting the polkas because I thought a certain segment of the men weren't represented by Cronauer's broadcast of rock and roll but I can easily play an occasional Gary Lewis record...
It doesn't make a damn whether you play polkas or don't play polkas... it's military politics, nothing personal. The men just like him better than they do you.
He maliciously and with ill-purposeful intent read unofficial news...
No No No No he made a mistake, we all make mistakes. Now this thing is a delicate balance over here... and I don't want it dependent on a disc jockey. The men want him back, I want him back.
Sir, you heard from the men who don't like my humor, but what about the silent masses who do? And as far as polkas, they are a much maligned musical taste...
Lieutenant you don't know whether you're Shot, Fucked, Powder-Burned or Snake Bit. I don't care about polkas. They're rioting in Way, we're bringing in thousands of troops every month, terrorism's on the up-rise in Saigon. The problems of this country have not one goddamn thing to do with whether you play polkas or don't don't play polkas. The men want him back, I want him back. Reinstate the man.
It's not about the Polkas guys.
131 sats \ 3 replies \ @Artilektt 8h
I'm not against them being able to do it, that ship has sailed, I think in this case the issue is taking this decision about what's in someone's mempool away from the node runner. There's also this issue in how core is coming across with this decision. This ivory tower-ism, condescension and holier than thou shit coming from Core is gross frankly. I'm pretty shocked at the behavior.
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I'm not against them being able to do it, that ship has sailed, I think in this case the issue is taking this decision about what's in someone's mempool away from the node runner.
I agree completely. Regardless of default policy... the choices for noderunners (with regards to arbitrary data) should be clear, easy to understand, and optionable by the person running the software.
Do you accept the 'arbitrary data' or not into Mempools? Check or uncheck. Do you want op_return? Check or uncheck. If you do, what is op_return's size limit? Check/uncheck etc.
There's also this issue in how core is coming across with this decision. This ivory tower-ism, condescension and holier than thou shit coming from Core is gross frankly.
While I agree to some extent... there is vigorous debate going on in the Github discussion pages (for the PR) and anyone can make their voice heard. There are logical arguments on both sides... and some amount of moderation is necessary.
The best thing to come out of this in my opinion, is the widespread recognition that there is Knots, Libre, and Core and people can and should choose which one they want to run.
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26 sats \ 1 reply \ @Artilektt 8h
If anyone can make their voice heard why did Mechanic get banned for simply pointing out Lopp's conflict of interest?
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Lopp's conflict of interest is not a technical matter. If said conflict resulted in salient technical objections, those could have been raised.
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 11h
Food for thought. Thanks for this post. I must ask, do your free market sensibilities extend to free expression and open debate?
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Yes, as long as that open debate is done in good faith.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @asterisk32 4h
Bitcoin will win
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Isn't this part of the reason for the block subsidy? The fee pressure is going to take time to build. It was greatly alleviated when LN took off and people started buying paper bitcoin. I think that might be giving people a false impression that the network is in trouble. We here all know how valuable transacting with finality is, especially when shit is hitting the fan with violent fiat games. The market will eventually figure it out... at the price they deserve.
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It is just lightning offloading plenty of stuff off-chain. Pressure exists
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No, it doesn't not at 1-2 sats/vb. Pressure ultimately has to come from monetary transactions - the send, store, and receive.
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I once tried running a $25 transaction on the coinos lightning network and was charged over 55% of the transaction amount as fees, that was very frustrating for me that day
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That's not how Lightning should work. CoinOS is a temporary work-around imo while the growing pains of Lightning get sorted out.
Try Zeus, Phoenix, or even best running your own Lightning Node the fees are very low ( ~.1 %)
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60 sats \ 0 replies \ @BITC0IN 2h
oh noooo the subsidy is only 3.125 Bitcoin, what will the poor miners doooooo
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Bitcoin does indeed run because of the pressure of up and down transactions, without it Bitcoin would not run, so far the transactions we make can certainly be read.
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What's the best crypto mining site on the Lightning Network?
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No such thing exists.
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Hashrate must be through the roof again.
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Hashrate is climbing fairly rapidly, and has been for years. Having said that, it climbs faster when hashprice is low.
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