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What would make you quit your job out of principle?

1589 sats \ 32 comments \ @SimpleStacker 31 May AskSN

We're not talking things like a pay cut, or a change in benefits, or a bad boss/co-worker that you can't work with.

We're talking about things that the employer does that makes you say you can't work here anymore, out of principle.

I was thinking about this when I was reading how the San Francisco school district was going to lower standards to the point that you can pass with a score of 21% and that students would be allowed to turn in assignments late and retake exams multiple times (#992094)

I think I would quit if it came to that. I might stick around a few months to see if the policy gets overturned, but if it stayed I would quit.

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40 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryotosensei 1 Jun

Are you crazy?

I have two kids.

I even changed my job to be a pri sch teacher this July so that I can support my children’s elementary education haha

140 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 31 May

A forced medical procedure I didn't want to have on my own accord. I thought I was gonna lose my job during Covid thanks to Biden's thug like executive order which affected my company. To my knowledge no one lost their job due to it but people quit. I was going to make them fire me for non-compliance but it didn't come to that I still have a letter I wrote about this for my boss. Never had to give it to them. I remember talking to my sons about possibly losing my job on principle. Had a backup plan and savings if it came to that.

I think this aspect is important. Hard to be honest about this stuff when it isn't really looking you in the eye.

I'd also quit if my company was doing things against my morals. But that hasn't happened yet.

In reference to education I worked in IT for public education and when I started I was a disenfranchised republican. When I quit I was ready to quit because of my disdain for the public sector unions and management. There are good people working in it but they are the exception. I wanted to get out of government work and into the private sector. Was one of the best decisions I ever made. As a fellow traveler to anarchists I oppose so called public education so I couldn't have stayed much longer.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

I know a friend who quit because of threatened vax requirements, but he ended up regretting it because the vax requirement never actually got enforced.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 31 May

Yep, big mistake. I also know people that got the shot that didn't want to and regret it especially since plenty of us refused and never lost our jobs. Most companies were put in a rough spot with this. It was terrible.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 20h

Better to get fired than quit.

Then you can negotiate a severance or respond with a lawsuit

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 20h

Exactly

40 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 31 May

Outright fraud.

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

Would you consider the proposed educational standards in SF a fraud on the public?

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 20h

Tough one. I would call it fraud but is it intentional or as a result of perverse incentives?

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 18h

Probably a mix of both. I've been following this story and the consultant who came up with the plan charges $10,000 a day in fees to the school district. I think it'd be appropriate to call it fraud at this point, fraud that's cultivated by perverse incentives maybe.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 20h

Absolutely criminal

40 sats \ 3 replies \ @_Bubble_2009 31 May

I bring you another perspective.

I am thinking of selling my business or closing it, because the staff does not respect me.

Have you ever thought about such an eventuality? I do, I'm thinking about it seriously. I arrive first at the office, I leave last, I work even on weekends and the staff does not respect me at all.

Give me a good reason not to close or at least not to lay off everyone.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

Make an example out of one of them, fire them for disrespect and maybe the others will learn to be more respectful

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 20h

Good advice

Fire one person per month until the problem disappears

Create a list and rank by productivity

What’s the difference between respect and money?

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @thecommoner 1 Jun

Sounds like you might be my boss....???

I mean - I guess when you are the leader and no one is following you, it might mean you just haven't done a good enough job communicating your message to the staff?

I could probably give you a bunch of reasons to not close or lay everyone off.... I think though it just comes down to that communication of the message? Sure you work hard and put in the time....but you are likely incentivized to do so...much like my boss - he is one of the owners and so if the company fails....he fails...

In my humble opinion - giving the staff a new message (and probably more share in the success) would likely go a long way to reducing the negative consequences you are experiencing?

I guess I would need to know more though....so....

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @Aardvark 31 May

It would have to be something pretty bad. A man's gotta eat.

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

I think what makes it easier for me to say this is that college profs are usually underpaid anyway, compared to what they could make if they plied their trade in the market.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 20h

It depends on the field. Economics professors are underpaid but other departments have no private alternative.

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 31 May

I generally try to adapt to organizational requirements, so it would have to be something where I'm either being required to engage in dishonest research or actively causing direct harm to people.

In the situation you're referencing, I would first try to devise an education approach that fits the requirements and satisfies my standards for academic integrity. If I couldn't figure that out, then I'd probably just teach as I deemed appropriate while looking for work elsewhere.

51 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

I generally try to adapt to organizational requirements

Same... which is why I started reflecting on this question. What organizational requirement would go far enough to make me finally say, "Alright the buck stops here."

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 31 May

I'm glad I've never been in such a situation. I usually start looking for the exits before things get that far.

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 31 May

Call me back to the office full time... that ship has sailed, we never coming back.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 31 May

Yep, same here. For me that would require a move and that's not happening.

30 sats \ 2 replies \ @Coinsreporter 31 May

I quit my job for forever once I had all bases covered from owning a house in the downtown, having a sustainable passive earning to cover for my wages, a healthcare plan + a permanent saving (now into Bitcoin) for the family, purchased two hectares of agricultural land besides my 2 hectares of ancestral land in my village, and besides all of this I started taking part in our family business which already needed one person if I weren't there. Although it's not like a job as I only oversee the accounts and make my suggestions.

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

Having everything you need already is a good reason to quit. But is there anything your employer could have done that would make you quit even before you had everything set up already?

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 31 May

TBH I wasn't someone who went to work with my personal ideals and even if I had gone with them, it never happened (as far as I can remember) that something against my ideals had been imposed to give up my job.

It may be that I never felt it because I mostly worked part time or on contractual agreements. Most of my jobs were so simple that I got paid hourly and I didn't have to look beyond that.

30 sats \ 2 replies \ @villawolf 31 May

I also resigned out of principle. I was working for a government, and one day I started studying Bitcoin, and that's when I understood the game of inflation and decided to no longer be employed there. I told my immediate superior that the problem of hyperinflation was strictly monetary: printing money and distributing unbacked bonds only fueled the disaster. They should find a way to stop this or stop creating money out of thin air.

Although at the time I wasn't entirely clear about my convictions about Bitcoin, and with some fear of possible retaliation, I still made the decision and submitted my resignation. I couldn't continue contributing to a system I no longer agreed with.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker OP 31 May

Nice, that takes conviction. What did you do next?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @villawolf 31 May

They immediately removed me from my position and sent me straight to the personnel department. I waited there for about six months until they finally signed my resignation. I felt an enormous relief.

The next thing I did was leave the country and settle in another country. Since then, I've been busy every day resynchronizing a balance between living with dignity today, eating well, and remaining firm in my conviction to hold BTC for the long term.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @byzantine 1 Jun

Forced medical procedures

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @wolfsbane 31 May

I’d quit if I had to go against what I believe in like lowering standards just to make things easier it feels wrong to keep working somewhere when the values don’t line up with mine anymore at that point, staying doesn’t feel right.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @thecommoner 1 Jun

I will quit my job if my employer has not yet moved into/onto a Bitcoin standard by the time I am "financially" able to quit....

I don't know what timeframe that happens in - but I for one have been working my entire life to date with retiring in mind....no business based in/on FIAT is working in your or their stakeholders best interest - prove me wrong?