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As Elon confirmed he will proceed with the conformation of a brand new party in the US, the "America Party", I'm curious what the SN community thinks about it. Would you join??
Yes12.5%
No, I would preffer another new party.0.0%
No, I'm already in one.0.0%
No, I prefer no party, ever.87.5%
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I don't sense that Elon has any real comprehension of either the problem or the solution.
After seeing the Libertarian Party completely whiff on their chance to run someone serious, I don't think national level politics are going to hold any answers for us.
The whole system just needs to get rugged.
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From the experience here, the fact Elon proceeded this way shows he actually finally understood how to deal with the situation. I was actually awaiting for this exact moment, and I'm thrilled it finally happened. This is the only way out, precisely because of how rigged the system is.
And to this effect, you have a large advantage over us, which is the US law on how a party can be conformed. Starting by the fact a party in the US can not be financed by the state directly, you have a HUGE advantage over us. In Argentina, parties can only be financed by the state directly, and it's forbidden to finance a party through donors. Now project the incentives that unfold from that.
The fact the Libertarian Party is an unreliable monstrosity, far from being an indication of failure, is a proof that this path can work if done properly, for (again, and again, and again), the exact same thing happened here in Argentina: the existing Libertarian Party in Argentina, prior to Milei, was as unreliable as despicable, conformed by the cherry picked worst. So unreliable it was that, despite Milei's best initial attempts, the entire party didn't even made it to the coalition. Milei had to end up resorting to other parties as his political backbone, from which the Libertarian Party was de facto expelled for only being able to cause damage. Then, Milei proceeded to create a new party from the ground up, which is already achieving victories nothing short of notorious for being not even 1 year old yet.
And that's the only way. That's the one and only way to start fighting back the swamp. And Elon is doing exactly that. So believe me, he knows full well what he's doing.
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I'll even grant you that the Elon route is the best chance, but our party system is heavily rigged in favor of the two parties and they're able to change the rules whenever a contender begins emerging.
Because Elon isn't particularly ideological he has no significant political following: i.e. there's nothing like the movement Ron Paul had behind him, much less what Milei has.
Our situation also isn't nearly as dire as Argentina's was. People are vaguely disgruntled, but they're still fat and happy, and therefore too docile for revolution.
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Again and again, it's the exact same thing here. Hence the reason we were ruled by only two parties for nearly a century. The two bigger players can hide and change election dates, legal presentation dates so that you don't make it to the list, arbitrarily change conditions midway so that you have to start over, and at the very end directly instruct the justice not to allow you to present to elections. They can put the entire media against you. And so on and so forth. And all in between.
Still, Milei is succeeding. An so will Elon. Trust the plan ;)
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Not to ruin the conversation here, but there's also a prediction market in the similar lines: https://beta.predyx.com/market/elon-creates-a-new-political-party-in-2025-1749452168
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Oh I wouldn't expect nothing differently. Again and again, it was the same here. You should have lived what it was to try to support Milei amidst and absolute backlash from everyone you knew and society in general. It was by all predictions completely suicidal. Yet we did it anyways, because it was the right thing to do. That's not to say it was easy, we really went through a lot to support something that was not only universally rejected but had a true low chance of success, and it was not easy to deal with that reality while you were giving it all for what seemed to be an ill fated cause. Really, at that point, most of us were doing it only because it was the right thing to do. I, personally, had already accepted defeat, and kept on going forward solely to be able to say, in the soviet dystopia that was awaiting ahead, that when it was the time to do something, I did it, and I gave it all.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @moptosh 16 Jun
Musk's ideas often pay off
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And this one will be no exception Sr
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Can you USAians implement some kind of runoff elections like many other countries have?
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Very good question. They do not. And at state level it can be implemented to elect senators for example, but very few do.
It's worth noting that while Argentina do implements runoff for presidential elections, it seldom occurs and it's strategically avoided by voters themselves, since the current legislation recognizes as the winner that party with enough advantage over the second in despite of not achieving an absolute majority (only if that margin is not met a runoff follows), establishing the permanent risk that "if you do not vote for the candidate with best chances in front of the one you do not like, you may allow the one you do not like to get enough of an advantage to win without runoff". So the voting logic for most of the population is in practice commanded by a two party system logic as in the USA.
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Hm... I don't know what the system there is, but generally runoff election requires the winner to get more than 50% of the votes. That means that even if you vote for the most obscure party, you are making the best performing party take less of the votes percentage wise. So you don't need to strategically vote for the lesser evil, as long as your favourite is in the ballot (which is before the actual runoff).
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Yes absolutely. I'm just pointing out the case of Argentina, as some arguments are made that "the same thing Milei did can't be done in America due to the two-party system", but our "runoff" is degraded with that "margin rule" that brings the two-party logic back.
If taken by the proper definition, as you suggest, yes, it would be an ideal system for both countries. Sadly, none of both have it.
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LOL clueless slaves. YNGMI
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