843 sats \ 11 replies \ @benthecarman 8 Jan 2023 \ parent \ on: Is LND (Lightning Labs) ruining the Lighting Network? bitcoin
This is a symptom of the problem, the real problem being all the other implementations suck to build on top of. LND has done a really good job building tools for developers to do things on top of it very easily. Eclair is custom built for ACINQ and runs well but isn't meant to be used by everyone. CLN is basically just a hobby project by blockstream, most people I've talked to who've tried using it have had a bad experience because nothing is ever taken to completion. LDK is great but is used for building your own lightning implementation, not a drop in replacement for something like LND.
CLN is basically just a hobby project by blockstream, most people I've talked to who've tried using it have had a bad experience because nothing is ever taken to completion.
I have completely different experience. I run both. CLN is less resource hungry, supports pruned Bitcoin nodes, is more easy extendable via plugins.
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It's far from a hobby project for Blockstream, but if that's a common perception it's definitely a problem.
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It's not explicitly a hobby project but it definitely feels like one, tons of things are never taken to completetion and have little documentation. They really need a PM to prioritize work for them so they can make the project more usable.
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and blockstream don't even have a damn LN wallet... it's a shame.
Why Green wallet do not have a LN support?
If wasn't for Zeus (Evan) to make something good and useful to use with CLN, nowadays, nobody will use CLN.
Yes, we have Spark (really shity app) and Fully Noded ((only iOS), but those are meaningless.
just saying.
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tbf lnd doesn't have a wallet either.
I'm guessing Green will get lighting support from greenlight once that is production ready.
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yes, LL do not have their own mobile or desktop wallet.
But we have many apps for LND: Blixt, Breez, Zeus, Thunderhub, RTL etc and that increase a lot of its usage.
I am sure that if we would have more apps to support CLN and easy to use, will be more users of CLN.
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Yes, this goes back to my original post, no one builds on top of CLN because lnd is so much better. CLN shouldnt waste time building an app, they should spend time making it usable so then 100 apps are built on top of it.
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Don't know about rest of the list, but RTL works with both LND and CLN.
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Why Green wallet do not have a LN support?
They are likely working on that feature.
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Finally. That's a good sign.
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It's early days, but I am working on a wallet for CLN (Clams). Right now it is designed around making payments from your phone on the go. But the plan is to highlight all of the great features that CLN provides. Bolt12, Bookkeeper accounting dashboard, Liquidity ads dashboard etc.
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