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502 sats \ 52 comments \ @adlai 20h meta

I have won at least two enemies on this site, although one of them probably silently muted me within one day of my registration, while for some reason the infamous troll has trouble doing this even weeks after I've been commenting, and worse. Please advise...

Note: I will not highlight either of them; they both know who each is, individually, if they haven't muted me already and read this far, and I wouldn't blink twice if they're socks of the same puppeteer.

Abstain [please comment your opinion...]0.0%

Take steps to leave humanity entirely...11.8%

Mute haters; keep pissing off everybody?29.4%

Ignore without muting; my recommendation58.8%

17 votes \ 4h left

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181 sats \ 15 replies \ @Undisciplined 20h

This is an open community full of weirdos. Don't expect only normal calibrated responses.

Even many of the jerks here have a lot to offer. I only mute accounts, once I'm quite certain that they have nothing to offer and if they're making me dread looking at my notifications.

85 sats \ 11 replies \ @Car 13h

I agree, I mute a lot, takes me some time to get there as well. Anon's are auto mute by default.

But I also unmute too over time.

Example I muted @BlokchainB and @Scoresby for a long time, they are unmuted now and I truly love those guys so I think just don't take offense to it. Too many people are sensitive on SN.

Time is precious. Make sure to spend it on where you see fit but don't get mad because people don't give you their time to waste.

142 sats \ 10 replies \ @Scoresby 13h

it was all the ecash stuff wasn't it?

123 sats \ 8 replies \ @Car 13h

ya you went on like a year long binge on ecash that was just too much to take, eventually you started posting other things again

50 sats \ 4 replies \ @Scoresby 11h

It's gone into remission. But it will be back. Ecash is cool.

102 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 8h

soon you can report on Cashu on SN

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 8h

👀

510 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 8h

My plan is to get it ready for review before lightning++ since I want to show it on the ecash hack day

It will have been two years in the planning by then

reply on another page

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 10h

na i think spark kinda killed that train but never say never even liquid found a use case eventually

7 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 8h

eventually you started posting other things again

how did you notice though?

44 sats \ 1 reply \ @Car 8h

he made it to the top 5 on snl enough times for something else so i unmuted him

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 8h

he the top stacker 2 months running

edit: At least, according to how I was measuring it as zaps on posts and comments

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 13h

I was wondering what it might have been. I bet that's right.

76 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 19h

Yep, this is my practice as well.

If you expect to come here and just vent without push back you are on the wrong site. And the push back will not all be equal. Some will be dumb. Some will not.

75 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 13h

Exactly, everyone will have a bad take now and then, thats the whole point of this platform build a stronger hivemind.

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 20h

Indeed. I do use the mute button it's mainly to suppress notifications. I'll still often read what they write, I just don't want to get notified when they respond to me.

323 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 20h

Ideally you can just ignore the posts/comments that you don't want to respond to. My general policy on the internet is to recognize that people communicate in many different ways, to absorb what I like / is helpful to me, and to ignore what I don't like / is unhelpful to me.

125 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 19h

Great way to think about it.

Also, its good to be aware of the spectrum of thought as well as stupidity. I think today we are struggling with the reality that there are so many people not like us. We are focusing on the differences more than what we have in common. Easy to blame the Internet but really a lot of this existed before. We just were not aware of it.

Maybe that's not a good thing. Only time will tell.

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 19h

This is good advice.

100 sats \ 3 replies \ @3a42879d5f 20h

I learned this one from Joe Rogan-- Post and ghost. "Don't read the comments."

My take on that is to make your voice heard, speak your truth, and then never read the comments. Commentors are using your words as entertainment, they're not your friends.

The voices that matter are friends and family in your sneakernet.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai OP 20h

It's a rapid recipe for becoming stupid without even requiring any traumatic brain injury. The academic equivalent,

Read your critics, and never respond to them.

is slightly more tolerant of acknowledging the wisdom of your peers, even if they never solicit your review.

5 sats \ 1 reply \ @Solomonsatoshi 16h

Your style of response is quite provocative and will inevitably tend to generate negative possibly hateful responses. Do you understand why?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

Do you understand why?

Sure; there's not any perfect spoken equivalent for this, that, let alone

the other thing

... however, I would literally rather live on a desert island with hungry wolves to keep me honest, than use some threaded TikTok abomination where any comment is muted until the eye-tracking camera firmware activates individual voices.

[ and yes, I also get flak for my choice of words when actually talking ]

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy 17h

ur posts are very painful to read, in an annoying way, almost unbearable; i used to have a co-worker like that, and his reports were unanimously deemed painful to read; i still have not learned how to deal with him...i just don't, lol

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

i used to have a co-worker

have not learned how to deal with him...i just don't

get better at vetting your collaborators, rather than only getting vetted by HR and interviewed by a boss

36 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai OP 20h

Fifteen minutes after posting, I realise that I have committed the same error of which I accused @siggy47 earlier, and not configured a longer window for voting.

Is there unintended benefit? Sure, the results of this poll will reflect mostly opinions of the currently-hatted stackers. Worst case, I'll bother y'all again sometime next quarter with a longer voting window, after studying the hatless further.

Don't forget to mute folks who have nothing more to offer than a GPT that has been trained off comment sections on LinkedIn at a frequency no finer than weekly! Some people just have a talkative day, at the drunken fool digital nomad cafe.

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @Akg10s3 19h

I like your answer,👌

73 sats \ 0 replies \ @Akg10s3 20h

Ignoring without silencing demonstrates our own mental strength. I'm not going to waste my time hating worms...

1050 sats \ 0 replies \ @guerratotal 17h

I think @Undisciplined comment fits perfectly.

This is an open community full of weirdos. Don't expect only normal, calibrated responses.

Here, we're all a little crazy, paranoid, conspiracy theorists, etc., and few of us are 100% normal, hahaha.

So my recommendation is to ignore it. Fuck everyone. If I have to be myself, I'll be myself.

Even so, always read and gather the best from everyone here. There are some really good people.

We often live to try to please others, and in the end, we lose our essence and become pieces of what others want us to be, and we lose our original selves.

25 sats \ 9 replies \ @ek 8h

I would mute more people if we wouldn't show reply from someone you muted. Maybe this will change in the future though.

I muted @DarthCoin for a while but he replies so much it got annoying to see reply from someone you muted all over the place lol

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @Car 6h

Darth is a feature of SN not a bug.

Someone should gift him his own ~Darth territory I would love to see the type of hardcore Bitcoin only content he would accept as a post. 🤣

50 sats \ 7 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

My first encounter with the phenomenon was some comment like "we don't need another darth", and my first reaction was, "wow, that is incredibly rude; why do they hate him?"

It took me a few days to realise the comment was equally interpretable as an acknowledgement of one account's sufficiency at filling its niche in the current stacker ecosystem.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 6h

Yes we definitely do not need another one or more of his asskissers

Sorry @Car, you’re also kissing his ass sometimes lol

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Car 5h

Y'all don’t realize the amount of work he puts into educating people.

I think it’s because I can relate to him because I also worked in IT and was a pleb as well who was a toxic maxi for a long time and gave back to my community as well. He has written his story before, he is the way he is because of growing up around communism. He literally is warning us of what’s coming.

Now I work in Bitcoin so it’s bit different now so it’s not quite the same as before. Not nearly as toxic and not nearly as giving as I was once was.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 5h

His story here for the new stackers. #733426

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 5h

I’ve seen him being wrong and unable to admit enough times

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Car 5h

Ya maybe as a user you serve is probably not the best experience for you.

But as a fellow user of sn I enjoy him.

Also I remember when he left for Nostr there was literally like posts every day for a long time about where he was and if he was coming back.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 5h

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate when he teaches noobs and he’s fun sometimes but you should definitely not trust everything he says, do your own research and stuff

That’s my problem, people speak so highly of him they completely forget that there are no heroes

Maybe my problem is even more with them than with him

Btw, don’t forget I wrote this

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 19h

If you're getting hate and it annoys you, just mute. If you don't care, don't mute.

Why do you care that someone muted you though? This part I don't understand.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @adlai OP 6h

I'd rather that blithering idiots mute me and ignore blissfully, than tolerate some of the things I've been told by users of this site, both on and off it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 3h

This is why I only temp mute, as a tool to help me refrain from feeding the trolls.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @88b0c423eb 19h

Can we mute people here? I did not know that

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

The way my client is rendered, it's almost too easy; "mute" is often the item closest to the mouse after clicking the three dots by a stacker's name. Although this only happens when the username in question is close to the bottom of the screen, that's where comments appear when they are scrolled into view one-by-one... not being a UX professional, I don't have much to do right now beyond complain, unhelpfully far away from the site developer's notifications, and maybe reread all my relevant complaints in some quiet hour next week.

5 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 6h

unhelpfully far away from the site developer's notifications

I have read your complaint that I consider valuable feedback because I was not aware of this issue

Doesn’t mean we will fix it though lol

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

I'm rarely convinced that the first response to any UX complaint should be, "file a bug report", because quite often the specific bug would most accurately be labelled "wontfix" after changing the mechanics that caused it to occur in a way that the entire flow isn't triggered anymore.

In this case, I'm guessing the sites like this in general work better when the comments are loaded directly¹, rather than scrolled into view; I have found myself prefering a similar navigation flow with structured pages like Wikipedia articles, where I can save anchored links at any moment that are quite close to my current region-of-interest. Scrolling in general is a huge false friend, because although it feels familiar from physical media, it is also stupidly inefficient from an implementation perspective... however, it's what people have mostly come to expect.

like the action resulting from the blue circle by the notification bell ↩

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 17h

Difficult to know because you do not give specific examples whether by 'haters' you are referring to people genuinely attack you or people who simply disagree with your views.

Looking at your comments in other posts you appear to sometimes attack others personally, rather than focusing solely on the facts and issues raised.

It is a common trap many of us fall into sometimes when others challenge our beliefs and assertions with arguments that we may struggle to refute in a reasoned manner.

But if we want to engage in the contest of ideas we need to try to engage with the ideas and debate and avoid name calling and personal attacks.

Its not easy and requires constant effort but that is the price of free speech and the contest of ideas.

If others attack personally rather than the ideas and facts raised remind yourself, and them, that they are not addressing the facts and issues raised but are seeking to avoid them and genuine reasoned debate, by attacking the messenger.

25 sats \ 1 reply \ @jbschirtzinger 19h

You are always going to piss someone off. Best to try to have a discussion and if that fails. mute um.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

Yeah. If you'll overlook the slightly antinatalist connotation, there are more than enough neurotypicals to keep all the neurotypicals happy. I'm more worried about hunger, and discriminates much less than neurotypical verbal sensibilities.

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 20h

I ignore without muting but I also kind of need to see everything to get a sense of how this machine is doing.

In general, beyond SN, I still don't feel the need to fix people in any overwhelming way, nor do I wish to be ignorant of the diversity of unkindness in the world, so I don't mute people. I also view haters like a kind of f'd up mirror where I might learn something unfortunate about myself from them.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 13h

I NEVER MUTE ON SN!! I welcome all!! If I don’t like your comment I don’t zap and if you are really annoying I’ll DOWNZAP YOU

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @adlai OP 6h

I haven't studied the mechanics much, although my understanding is that downzapping is only effective at points in the comment graph where there are lots of sibling comments; furthermore, the utility of sats applied to downzapping might be quite different from the typical utility function for spending fungible money, because the downzaps are weighed against the positive zaps and I'm guessing there are usually more of the latter.

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