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Lmaooooooo
I meant to put it in ~news but this is actually more appropriate
Unfortunately I think late night as it stands needs to go, which is sad. Not because Kimmel was good, I certainly wasn’t a fan of him, but because the concept is something that used to unite Americans. There are becoming fewer and fewer things we can all gravitate to and share as Americans and for our culture. Things we can share a laugh over or talk about the next day at the office as friends, coworkers, and neighbors. The fewer institutions we have like that, the more the cultural fabric rips apart.
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Networks killed the golden goose of Late Night in 2014 when they fired Jay Leno and Craig Ferguson to double down on propaganda in advance of the 2016 election
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Car 17h
Great point. I think that’s why I’m more bullish on local communities and local churches. Life is only better when shared.
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Amen, brother. Everyone talks about the problems with Gen Z, their inability to form relationships, not getting married, this and that. But I can tell you that the young people, ages 21-30 at our church are indeed having great relationships, getting married, and having children
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69 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4h
Yep, I see this as well.
Our men's groups / Bible studies are packed and have been for a while now. Something is stirring. I visited an Orthodox church for a cultural celebration last week and the deacon doing the church tour told us during the Q&A that they are growing. Running out of space with all the new converts. He said many of them are young people disillusioned by the madness of the world. Looking for answers and tradition. Something grounding.
The world around us has no grounding. The lines for what is right and wrong is always shifting. And what is it moored to? Culture. Which is always changing. There's no anchor. I sense good things have been happening for some time and these events (I don't think they are over) are the work of the enemy (spiritual) to hinder what God is doing in lives.
I'm bullish. These people are not our enemies. Evil is all around us but it is not flesh and blood.
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I pray that more and more people find their way back to God, the ultimate source of truth and our only hope for this life and for eternity.
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323 sats \ 25 replies \ @freetx 19h
I honestly don't know how I feel about any of this....on the one hand I never liked Kimmel and disagreed with nearly everything he has said, on the other I don't think the "cancel wars" are sustainable for a healthy democracy.
Its only a matter of time until the other team gets in power and payback will happen.
Having said all that, lots of people pressuring a company to change course is a valid free market expression....So hard to pinpoint exactly how I feel except, 'uneasy'.
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I don't think we're obliged to care when the corporate press fires one of their paid propagandists.
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63 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 3h
A boomer friend of my mom's posted this.
Perhaps he can call Roseanne and ask her what he should do?
Dang, that's funny.
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That’s great
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42 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford 18h
Nope.
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Trump 2016 truly was the death of comedy
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83 sats \ 1 reply \ @sudonaka 16h
Actual comedy is doing great. Propaganda not so much
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81 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 14h
There it is. Yep.
Applause comedy is another word for this stuff.
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I figured this was the real reason. I knew Colbert's numbers were terrible and that late night shows were down in general.
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151 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 14h
The format is dead but it could have had another few years. Trump broke these guys as he did many people.
Its still wild to watch even though its been almost 10 years now. I guess what is most wild to me is how small the index card of allowable opinion actually is. What would these clowns do with an actual radical with principle?
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It might actually break their brains less. Trump’s lack of clear principles make him a blank canvas. His supporters paint everything they like on him and his opponents paint everything they hate.
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29 sats \ 8 replies \ @kepford 18h
lots of people pressuring a company
That's the market bro. Regardless of whether we like it or not. The market isn't always good. It is amoral.
Pretty sure ABC also would not allow Kirk to speak as he did on campus either. Not good for business and advertising would not approve. The problem is when the state interjects itself.
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176 sats \ 7 replies \ @freetx 18h
The problem is when the state interjects itself.
Exactly.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @freetx 17h
(1) Its uncomfortable that both the left and now the right is being conditioned to fall for the "hate speech" meme and cheer for silencing people
(2) At the very same time, I honestly think Kimmel only had his job in the first place due to gov support from previous administrations. Who knows what back room deals existed between ABC Corp and Big Gov to "enable diverse and progressive" voices.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 14h
Many Republicans have zero clue or principles. There is no ideological consistency. It's being exposed. Even some of the better ones are really leftists with some specific set of moral beliefs abandoned by the Democrat party. They want to have big government and make decisions for individuals on all sorts of stuff. Some even seem to oppose free market economics.
Trump above all is not ideological let alone a conservative. He isn't a fascist. He seems to operate completely on gut and who has his ear. People project on to him their hopes and fears.
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Is that the real brian stelter? I thought Brian Stelter was a big leftist
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Yeah that’s him, he reached out to Carr to get a statement as soon as he heard the news and just Carr sent a gif 😂
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LOL, I thought the tweet was a joke, but it's sincere
We truly live in a surreal fantasy clown world
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 6h
This second Trump Admin has been clear in that they are operating under an eye for an eye ideology. He hasnt forgotten what was done and said about him during the 4 years of the Biden admin and what they did to social medias over COVID.
Is it right or good? I dont think so two wrongs dont make a right but at the same time if this is how the game is going to be played then we (Republicans) need to either play the same or somehow wrangle 6 Senate Dems to get a law passed to change things.
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I think his ratings are down like Colbert
If his ratings were high, he wouldn't be 'cancelled'
I remember Jimmy Kimmel was the sports guy for Kevin and Bean on KROQ radio station
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @gmd 16h
He was going to get cancelled anyway. Now he will be "martyred" and likely get some sort of podcast deal lol.
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Maybe he did it on purpose
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Yeah I think the corporate press will be pushing:
“Jimmy K. Fired for jokes/“remarks””
Not: “Jimmy K. Lies about Kirk shooter/motive”
And since no one will go to the source footage, the misinforming is already done.
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141 sats \ 6 replies \ @Cje95 19h
Pretty soon all these late night people are going to be gone 😂 it’s truly remarkable how stupid they are
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I still haven't seen this. But I really don't need to. Sad to see someone go so unhinged as Kimmel has. He's a funny guy. Covid broke him.
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Eh, Kimmel sucks. I never found him funny even during his stupid man show days
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28 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 17h
I agree. He was unbearable to listen to for more than 30 seconds.
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Same. The best I can say for him is that we probably wouldn't have The Ringer without him, since he got Bill Simmons and his friends started in media.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 6h
He (Kimmel) tried to remain vague but.... knowing what he has said in the past well you knew exactly what he was trying to spread.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4h
Did he say more than the MAGA mob is trying to capitalize on the murder? I mean... if that was it... that's not hateful to me. That's an opinion. Its not disrespectful to Kirk either. He's also not wrong on a certain level. I think plenty of people are capitalizing on it.
The issue to me is this. Dude, what is this show even about? Who wants to watch this anymore. He's not bright enough to do political comedy. And what he's doing isn't funny. Its at best applause comedy. You have to think that ABC has been considering dropping this show for a while now based on the dropping ratings of these late night shows.
I don't care enough to go down the rabbit hole but you have to know that many admins have called their connections in media to put pressure on them for what they broadcasted. Pretty sure I have read about this in the past. If a major affiliate says they are gonna drop your show you listen to them. Hard for me to be shocked or outraged. Its not like we've had decades of by the book admins that would never put pressure on the media for their content. I just don't buy it. Sure, Trumps admin would do it. I think they might do much more. I don't think that is the place of government but I'm not naive. I feel like most of Trump critics (everyday people) are incredibly naive. At least the ones I talk to. Its like they are clueless to how the world works. They have failed to see how crooked the world has been for a long time. Its as if it was all fine till Trump rolled into town.
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I never got how he escaped the great cancel wars in the 1st place LOL
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 16h
I watched the man show growing up. Looking back on it... a show like that today would probably never be on mainstream television
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I don't think he should have been canceled for that just don't know how he got passed by...but yea there's no way TMS could exist today, the amount of rage that would be directed at girls on trampolines today
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4h
I know this will trigger some people but it needs to be said.
Nexstar is in the midst of trying to acquire another large TV station owner, Tegna, for $6.2 billion, a transaction that requires the approval of the FCC
The issue is NOT that Trump or his FCC chair is pressuring ABC to fire someone or do something. The issue is that the state has to be placed in the position to approve or deny business transactions. When you create a system where massive amounts of money require state approval you create a target. When you centralize power it is only a matter of time until someone abuses it. And when so much power is centralized in a nation divided into multiple cultures you are going to raise the stakes of elections. Every election is do or die. Its not just that you have bad people in these positions. Its flawed to the core to have so much power in a mob family like system.
People complain about all the people around Trump. Its obvious its about being close to power. But what do we expect? The people on the left getting all upset about this are so dishonest. They want even more power in the central government. They oppose state's rights. They oppose decentralization. So I have little patience for them crying about a late night show getting the can. You made this bed.
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117 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4h
If you are a bitcoiner you should get this.
The state is like a proof of stake system.
The market is like a proof of work system.
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121 sats \ 9 replies \ @satgoob 11h
God it looks so stupid to say Charlie Kirk was killed for wanting free speech then cracking down on speech everywhere.
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Yeah, I'm not American, so I'm probably not well-versed in what free speech means and doesn't mean, but I'm very surprised by the cheering for cancellation going on at the moment.
If a company wants to get rid of someone because of something they said, why not? Free speech does not mean the absence of consequences. But having the government go after people because they say something they don't like (even something as awful as saying murder is justified), that sounds scarily authoritarian. And from the outside, at least it seems, it's the FCC that must have put pressure on ABC (or at least, ABC acted preemptively, knowing that they needed FCC approval for something).
SNL, and most late-night hosts, suck these days, at least in terms of comedy factor. That doesn't mean they should get cancelled for saying stupid things that the current administration does not agree with.
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Well what you are observing is that most of the people who demand free speech really just want freedom to say what they support, but would happily censor things they don't support.
In this particular case, though, I am not really surprised ABC canceled Kimmel, since he said something that will (most likely) be proven to be an outright falsehood, it wasn't a matter of opinion. Moreover, I bet Kimmel was losing tons of money for them too.
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Meh but like that’s not libel, it was speculation which was plausible based on the politics of the shooter’s family (my understanding is that he didn’t have the damning information we seem to have now.) The second part of that statement was also a fair characterization that republicans are assigning blame where they can.
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Fair. I don't know the context of when he said what he did and what information would have been known.
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Ok, I watched a video by someone I trust. The timeline is that Kimmel made his comments after it became known that the shooter had leftwing ideology. That being said, ABC didn't cancel Kimmel until after the FCC chair made threatening comments. Also, Nextar needs government approval for a merger, which may also have motivated the canceling.
Emily Jashinsky breaks down ABC’s decision to pull Jimmy Kimmel’s show after his claim that Charlie Kirk’s assassin was aligned with MAGA. She stresses that Kimmel taped his remarks after investigators had already confirmed the suspect’s radical leftist ties, making his comments knowingly reckless. Emily outlines the pressure campaign from the FCC Chair, and public, while Nexstar—seeking government approval for a $6.2 billion merger—pulled Kimmel’s show from local airwaves. She notes accusations of government intimidation but also takes into account market forces and basic ethics. Emily notes a Megyn Kelly post pointing out that ABC fired Chris Harrison for saying maybe we should judge a Bachelor contestant’s attendance (years earlier) at an antebellum party by what was considered offensive at the time. Emily frames this all as a “rebalancing” of media power.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @satgoob 9h
Ah ok - thanks for pulling this together
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I see. Ok, maybe I didn't read in detail all the replies in this post, but it seems quite a few people here support such arbitrary censoring, kinda as a payback for past censoring of conservatives. Or maybe it's just celebratory...
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Haha Kimmel is kind of a jerk (and markets himself as a jerk) so I don't mind celebrating his show getting canceled.
On the other hand, when Pam Bondi said she was gonna go after private businesses for speech, most regulars here on SN were pretty against that: #1224315
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Matt Walsh said the same thing (surprisingly imo given where everyone in his camp seems to have given up free speech principles)
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74 sats \ 0 replies \ @nichro 17h
I find it hard to find empathy about it. Ah well. What did they used to say?
"It's not cancel culture 👏 it's 👏 consequence 👏 culture 👏"
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Have you noticed how the US government is censoring the moderate progressive comedians instead of the far left ones? Why do Stephen Colbert and Kimmel have to go but Seth Meyers or John Oliver don't? What's up with that?
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It's because Colbert and Kimmel get paid more haha
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4h
Could it also be that maybe its not as simple as people make it seem. Colbert I don't think was canceled by the US government but was collateral damage of other things like the business deal. Forget what it even was now. At best if it was a targeting of Colbert it was just convenient. This isn't Abraham Lincoln shutting down journalists (most don't even know about).
I'm not saying Trump wouldn't or won't actually take this up 10 notches. He might. I'm not saying that plenty on the right aren't hypocrites. There are plenty. We know how stupid stuff can get when people are angry. Anger is not only dangerous but the emotion leads to foolish mistakes. I suspect we will see many more.
I say, let them talk. Let them show who they are. I've always said that. I wanna know who the Marxists and Nazis are. Their ideas suck. They will lose in the marketplace of ideas. Shutting them up is a mistake. But I don't think the majority of Democrats or Republicans actually like the extremes. I know plenty of moderates and liberals that are disgusted by what they have seen out of the woke left.
We need to avoid the generalization fallacy.
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