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109 sats \ 8 replies \ @tomlaies 9h \ on: NVK: Lightning does not work for any meaningful value without custodians lightning
The hurdle to setup a Raspberry pi and keep it running in your desk drawer is too high for most people
But we're only a few years away from a full node and lightning node seemlessly on your phone. Indistinguishable from a custodial remote node now. Then his entire argument will be obsolete
we're only a few years away from a full node and lightning node seemlessly on your phone
That's as foolish a statement as saying people will run email servers or websites on their phone.
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Perhaps, but it is true that a lot of people run a router, despite not knowing what a router is (or probably even that they ate running one). They just know they have to plug the thing in to get WiFi.
Couldn't we get to a point where people do something similar with a lightning node?
Its not the same as running on your phone, but it's kinda like it.
I guess I'm curious if you think the reason mobile node is foolish has to do with limitations of mobile devices or with the ux of lightning.
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a lot of people run a router, despite not knowing what a router is
Exactly, if they can run a NAT appliance they can run a Lightning node. A great example of why mobile nodes are gaslightning bullshit.
Morons and scammers look at a plug and play router and say we can't have that for Lightning.
Couldn't we get to a point where people do something similar with a lightning node?
That would require actually looking at the friction points, scammers and morons won't do that. But I did.
Lightning is money for the web, but to use it on the web you need a firewall rule in that NAT appliance, a static IP, DNS, SSL certificate... not for the faint of heart.
Lightning.Pub comes in with Nostr to address that friction, now tying that node to the web is as simple as pasting an nprofile.
Start9/Umbrel have done a good job on the appliance side of that, but the juice isn't worth the squeeze for most, since they still have the above friction to actually make use of it... I expect Lightning.Pub will do great things for their sales numbers.
But, I still think appliances can and should be even simpler. Any PoS at a storefront is still a computer, and therefore can connect to Nostr just the same and run a Lightning.Pub... a $2/month VPS can round the edges or for on-demand applications. Heck, even the way @DarthCoin runs Zeus on a tablet gives me an idea for a digital picture frame that's a stealth node.
There's more solutions than I can even begin to explore, the only problem is no one else is actually trying to solve anything, it's all vanity projects and arbitrage.
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Phoenix does a nice job with the trade offs of running a lightning node via your phone. And it's stupid easy.
Lexe runs your node in a cloud, but with some cool tradeoffs (check out their security model doc)
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Phoenix does a nice job with the trade offs of running a lightning node via your phone.
It's total nonsense and they know it, thats why they pivoted to phoenixd and wasted years on bolt12.
Device-specific channels and liquidity make zero sense, and you can't run a business off a device that goes to sleep in your pocket.
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This is true. I've used Phoenix a lot. But when I needed to accept lightning paymenta on my webstore it was not an option. And Phoenixd was more expensive than I wanted.
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