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₿ *and* sats? Best of both worlds or not so much?

836 sats \ 65 comments \ @Scoresby 4h bitcoin

Someone on nostr pointed this out, and Gigi picked it up with some enthusiasm.

I not a fan...and perhaps that exposes the problem with sats: spelling it out is ugly. There's probably got to be a symbol.

You may have noticed in all the recent pictures of Square terminals that the BIP 177 version of ₿ = sat was used. A lot of recent wallets have also gone down this road.

Are we headed to a world where we say sats but we write ₿?

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291 sats \ 37 replies \ @justin_shocknet 4h

writing sats is easier than going to copy paste the symbol which doesnt exist on a keyboard, the display with both is even more confusing/cluttered than just sats alone

Eventually the market will come to a consensus, but the symbol seems forced and more of a vanity project than an emergent UX improvement

The lightning bolt as a symbol is more organic for sats, the only objection is from Lightning disrespectors... in on-chain contexts the B fits better but should I think be only used with decimal values rather than sat values

178 sats \ 28 replies \ @Scoresby OP 4h

I do like the lightning bolt as a symbol, but I fear that usage will wither on the branch. It never even caught on that much among lightning wallets.

102 sats \ 23 replies \ @ek 4h

I used to like it, now it looks silly. It’s an emoji.

103 sats \ 20 replies \ @justin_shocknet 4h

Ehhh that's a distinction without a difference, both are unicode characters, but yes a simpler one would probably be best

160 sats \ 19 replies \ @ek 3h

Ok fair, but ⚡️doesn’t look like a serious symbol for money like £ € $ ¥. ~~Bitcoins~~ Satoshis deserve a proper symbol. Using ⚡️is like an inside joke.

119 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Also fair

There is this more basic one: 🗲

There's yet another even simpler one but i'm struggling to find it, dont know what its properly called

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Might have been thinking this, but its font dependent... ϟ

SN font doesn't match what I expected but I've seen it elsewhere look better

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

https://shapecatcher.com/ yields some other promising options but they all render fucky based on font

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38 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby OP 3h

this is 100% true. emojis are cute little cartoons.

17 sats \ 14 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 3h

↯ ⭍

107 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Looks like my portfolio today

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 3h

Haha

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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 3h

Always going up ain't sustainable!

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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 3h

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

try 🗲

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67 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 3h

emojis are the future. we must all eventually succumb. Our children will be interspersing every third word with emojis.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 3h

I hope I don’t live to see it lol

50 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 4h

Wallets generally have to unify balance between chain and lightning which is a complication. If you show the balance with a bolt, a user may assume their entire balance is on LN, when there could be a chain balance reflected in that

Amount is a factor too, it should really switch when the decimal value is greater than .009 or so where a chain payment is more viable

I was sympathetic to bits because I think people get hung up on <100 sats left in Lightning wallets because of fee reserves needed, and in chain context the last two digits are superfluous since tx fees will eat them anyway, they could be a smaller font (like cents)

Bits for Lightning and Chain balances bridge the gap a bit with long decimal values, problem is its not really a thing beyond an aesthetic abstraction and died before this was realized

lightning bolt as a symbol

Sats aren't mentioned here but you know immediately by looking at it what the unit is

Biggest drawback to bits in UX may be that if this was was a .11 instead of 11 you might think it was cents had I not put the fiat value underneath it

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 3h

I can see how bits can be the most logical way to proceed...but they are dead in the water to me. I don't see people ever navigating some chunk of sats other than 1 bitcoin.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

How would you think of a skulldugerous use of bits? don't call it bits but just make the last 2 sats when sats >99 being a smaller font than the 100+?

119 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 4h

I like it too. Coinos uses it.

181 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 4h

a meme for each step 😂😂😂

112 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 4h

Inevitably true, but that's at least a few decades out

We also have to weaponize the hipster mindset, a new symbol harnesses virtue signaling powers

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 4h

hahaha yes. Did you know that the Thai keyboard already have the B symbol?

152 sats \ 1 reply \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Thai Bhat symbol co-opted today, the dollar in 2050

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 3h

all make sense now: Satoshi invented these symbols on keyboards long before they created Bitcoin... sneaky bastards

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 3h

seriously, they selected number 7 for their currency symbol? that is fucked up, trying to dupe people into believing that Bhat and 7 are linked thru the divine; in addition, they have the largest number of lady boys; i am upset; even the dollar sign doesn't appear next to a 1 or a 7 or a 9; $ is actually next to a 4 (square/ground/earth), telling people exactly where they belong;

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @fiatbad 3h

There used to be 2 lines through the dollar symbol when it was backed by sound money. Now, we only use one line to represent fiat money with no backing.

So, your meme should be updated to have 2 lines through the S.

I know, I sound pedantic as fuck right now. I'm channeling my inner DarthCoin :D

119 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 3h

Is an old classic meme, I don't want to change it. Best memes are the ones that are not perfect.

152 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 4h

Are we headed to a world where we say sats but we write ₿?

How about writing $ but saying sats?

The dollar sign looks like a S, and if fiat is going to die anyway, maybe we should start by disgracing it in our language.

But yeah, it probably couldn’t get any more confusing than that.

Credits to @itsTomekK because I’ve heard this idea from him for the first time.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 3h

I tried out the Square terminal thing today. Bought a coffee. It displayed a price in dollars first, and then when I told them I wanted to pay in bitcoin, they pressed a button and it displayed sats (using the ₿ symbol). It would have been pretty messy if I told them bitcoin and they switched to a dramatically different number with the same symbol...

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 3h

When everybody is confused, nobody is confused

123 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 4h

It looks like a solid way for people to learn that 1 BTC equals 100M sats, but visually it's kinda rough, and honestly, it confused me at first glance.

102 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 1h

I use sats and will die on this hill. As for the sats symbol I'm undecided

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby OP 57m

Yes

123 sats \ 6 replies \ @Taj 3h

I like the crisp ₿ it has grown on me

₿ 000,000,021

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby OP 3h

do you still verbally say "sats"?

123 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taj 3h

I still say stack sats stay humble, nod to ODELL

I could start saying...

stack ₿'s stay retarded?

Thank you to Daniel for the pic. npub1aeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qcq4nwx

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @SHA256man 1h

that's a lot of unnecesaary zeroes to type and to convince people to count in reverse;

i highly doubt the population is at a point of development to accept that one can count value backwards and not only forwards;

in fact, the brain thinks backwards, but the ideas come our thru words forward; it all goes back to the law of cause & effect - if u can think backwards, u can figure out where u have been and then, where u are or may be;

Language of Creation - this is not some religious crap, it's quantum dynamics;

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Taj 1h

₿21

Is that more palatable?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SHA256man 1h

I wish for people to stop being retarded and study a little bit; are u teaching this to others in ur life, or just say "oh it's bitcoin in whatever currency"?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taj 1h

Extreme retardation is my guilty pleasure, I mainly use sats and just like the clean-ness of the ₿

It's personal preference like ₿onouns 🤣🤣🤣

108 sats \ 8 replies \ @SHA256man 4h

-|||- or -///- or -III- or -iii- or -!!!-

is it really that difficult? no need to reinvent the keyboard, so many options! i really like that satoshi symbol because it is at the same time looking like the resistor and a kabbalistic lightning bolt (literally a flash of lightning thru the chakras of the body)

21 sats \ 6 replies \ @Scoresby OP 3h

It is difficult. typing multiple characters is annoying. probably more so than going through emoji selection. I love all the imagery of the lightning bolt and the kabab symbol, but I think they are step too far for normie world. Many bitcoiners might even struggle with them.

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 3h

how do u go thru the emoji selection? i always go thru a github page, then copy-paste; it's -///- or sats, both take some time, depends on the keyboard typing skill and the message one wishes to convey; sats are fine by me when typed, but when i hand-write, it's -///- upright; i keep the lines wonky/slanted, in a caligraphic fashion;

my education campaign in the occult sciences is coming very slowly; takes time to represent good material that is 1000's of years old;

@deSign_r what do u think? #1281630

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

hate the kebab in the worst way, very esoteric symbolism

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @SHA256man 1h

justin_shocknet u may be hating it becuz u don't get it, and the barrier to understanding is thru some dense reading material (or a video presentation);

y wud u ignore something that has been knownable for eons of time, and wonder if mind control is somehow beyond symbols?

symbols are etched in the minds of people since birth, thru childhood, and jnto adulthood; frankly the English code is all symbols and shapes; Language of Creation : it's about the sound effects on the body and physiology;

if u wanna see it as a smoking meat kebob, whatever, u are not interested yet and wish to remain nescient;

@deSign_r have u already watched that seminar and the Language video?

102 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 1h

As long as I've been in Lightning, if I still need to watch some occult slop to get it then there's no hope for people at-large to get it. Even if I cared about the deeper meaning its still aesthetically retarded and pretentious.