pull down to refresh
159 sats \ 36 replies \ @Cje95 5h \ on: In Surprise Reversal, Trump Now Supports GOP Release Of Epstein Files Politics_And_Law
Yeah I am not surprised for two reasons....
-
The general base was getting more and more mad at him. He was the hold up so getting him to move it along was a benefit himself and the Republican Party
-
They are going to be so redacted that all we are going to get is names we already know were associates. Republicans last week dropped 28k pages after Democrats dropped the one set that they used to try and say he was guilty of at least knowing stuff and it didnt land.
You and I obviously have very different opinions on Trump and the whole political system, which to me is a carnival that looks more and more like a full blown psyop. Putting that aside for a moment, as a Trump partisan, do you think he is growing more unhinged by the day? Is it possible he is approaching Biden level dementia?
reply
Is it possible he is approaching Biden level dementia?
Nah, it's just Trump being Trump. He's been protecting people. I haven't seen evidence of mental decline. Just a political man.
reply
In his first term he was unorthodox, but he always had an uncanny sense of detecting which way the political winds were blowing. He would go off script and cause himself a little pain once in a while, but always recover. Now, he seems to have lost that sense, and is causing himself real political damage with his base.
reply
He's losing moderates with the heavy-handedness of his ICE enforcement (which I predicted would happen if he went down that route). He's also losing some with his tariff chaos, but I'm not as convinced how large this effect is. Moreso if the economy isn't doing well he's gonna lose support among everyone.
As for his base, I'm not sure what they're upset about... is it really the Epstein files? I know there are some fractures amongst the base over Israel (recent drama regarding Tucker Carlsen)
reply
Regarding his base, I would say these:
-
Israel First policy. Yeah, that really matters
-
Epstein flip flop. He stoked the issue, then waffled.
-
Abandoned Isolationism
He preached America first, then got pulled by Israel into Iran. Now, it looks like there isn't an international conflict he's not willing to pursue (as a distraction?)
reply
I don't think it's as a distraction. I think he wants his legacy to be foreign policy. Plus I think his family has tons of business interests in the middle east, all of which align with Saudi Arabia / Israel, and not with Iran / Palestinians
reply
Yeah. That very well may be. Thinking about support among his base, I think Israel is a real problem for a few reasons. Number 1, of course, is that nobody wants to see pieces of dead babies. But, I also think that Trump's support is closely tied to his image as a strong leader. Netanyahu has repeatedly made him look like an ineffectual errand boy.
reply
Indeed. I really think most of this problem is Netanyahu. It seems to me he has all the incentive to continue killing Palestinians. He is the threat to Zionism. If their movement was smart they would reject his leadership.
When I read the letter supposedly from Kirk he made excellent points. I know many read this as his rejection of Zionism. I read it more as good advice for Zionists.
There is a cognitive dissonance that we are supposed to oppose ethno-nationalism and yet that is what Israel actually is. The Zionist movement has done an excellent job radicalizing people against their movement. They remind me of the progressive movement. They both create what they claim to hate. Honestly, I think it's intentional. Not from the rank and file but from the top of these movements. They seem to want to keep people on edge and divided. Easier to rule.
I was amazed he won moderates over given what he ran on. It wasn't a favorable moderate platform and I think if the Dems had run anyone decent then there is a strong likelihood Trump wouldnt have one.
He promised millions being deported and utilizing every tool in the tool box which is exactly what we are seeing. His still is 110% heavy handed but.... he said he would do it. The tariffs and economy as a whole is going to depend on those investments actually coming through. If they do he will look like a genius if they fail to a fool.
Just like Trump ran on illegal immigration he spent a ton of time bashing the Biden Admin on the files. Bondi had even made a comment on the list/files being on her desk and she was going to go through and pass it along to the American people but later went there is no list. The base expected the list.
reply
I actually think Trump's moderate appeal was very simple:
- Be able to string together a coherent sentence, which neither Biden nor Kamala were able to do
- Acknowledge that illegal immigration is a problem and it shouldn't be so easy to get into the country (secure the border vs. deporting millions)
- Push back against woke radicalism
- Prioritize domestic affairs over international entanglements
If he just stuck to these things his popularity would be soaring.
reply
The ICE framing that Trump has made is very short sighted. The optics are bad. He doesn't care. What I see is more people being reactionary moving farther towards open borders.
The reality is what we are seeing is a result of political government's failure to fix a problem. These clowns had many chances to fix the issue but refuse to do so. Reagan tried and others as well. Both parties created this problem. What is happening now is a result of these failures. But Trump is gonna wear all the blame because he really doesn't seem to care.
reply
Yeah, not saying he isn't as sharp. But he is miles ahead of Biden mentally.
Honestly it seems likely he has smarter people around him. He has always been influenced by those around him. Now he has smarter people manipulating him. I'm convinced Trump has very little ideology.
reply
Putting aside your opinions on politics, do you think you are allowing yourself to be emotionally triggered by this character? Is it possible that he is actually funny?
https://rumble.com/v71tc4s-trump-on-tucker-interviewing-nick-fuentes.html
reply
Maybe I misunderstood your reply. Are you asking if I think Trump is funny? Yes. I have to give him that. I have laughed like hell over stuff he has said over the years.
Managing the decline of an empire does require a certain ability to distract and obfuscate from reality.
China has won the trade war.
USA military industrial banking combine is unable to function, let alone fight wars without rare earths.
reply
One of the things I would say that Trump has that Biden doesnt is he has advisors close to him who do come out and disagree with him. Then there are also meetings to try and change his mind (the Sec. of Energy, Pentagon people, and National Labs are meeting with him this week to talk him away from actual nuke testing). That was something I just didnt see during the Biden Admin.
Another difference I just thought of is how often Trump talks to the press. That wasnt the case with Biden and so I think we see more of Trump and the way he moves and because we see it we react more as opposed with Biden we just didnt really see or hear from him towards the end.
All of this is to say I am part of the group of Republicans that are also getting sick and tired of his antics. It annoys the hell out of me that they sadly seem to work more than they dont.
reply
reply
reply
I heard that the only people who spoke to Trump against the Iran war were Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk.
reply
Given Iran's recent announcement that they have completely stopped enriching uranium... I dont think hardly anyone Republican or Democrat were against the strikes. They did what they needed to do.
Iran has been fueling terrorist orgs they have targeted civilians and US troops over the couple of decades. With their attacks on Israel it gave the US a clear reason to at a minimum highly disrupt their nuclear ambitions.
reply
The US is Israel's puppet. That's why we did it - Israel wanted it.
reply
Nah. First of all BB isn't Israel. Second Israel buys a lot of US weapons and is one of strongholds the US has in the region.
APAC is not Israel and it sure seems like APAC and the MIC are allies. At best we have a pressure group allied with US military contracts pushing a specific agenda.
The US being Israel's puppet is a bit of a leap. Its a lazy overgeneralization that isn't helpful. The world is not that simple. There are many gangs and alliances. Many crime families and enemies.
reply
Not in the slighest with what Trump has done to them. Eliminating the idea the US would support and accept a West Bank annexation. Not allowing Israel to keep up its Gaza measures and the clear clear threat of not vetoing UN Security Counsel resolutions against Israel stopped them. They still need the US for bombs.
Plus the Saudi Crown Prince trip to Washington is involving the possible sale of F-35s to Saudi.... If what you said is true in the slightest this wouldn't even be something that Washington thinks about.
reply
It's all a show, and you're one of the actors. They have to play their little game, so people like you have "talking points". It's a big psyop.
This is a photo from a few months ago. 250 US state legislators in Israel on a paid trip.
For anyone who's curious - follow Glenn Greenwald. https://x.com/glenngreenwald
reply
here's a few other follows that may be of interest
I would agree re accessibility. The Biden "administration" really was a Soviet style dystopia.
Let me ask you. Doesn't it seem obvious at this point that a bi -partisan back room deal has now been cut regarding Epstein files to ensure that no allegations against anyone powerful in either party will be released?
reply
I do kinda think that is what we are going to get. I dont see a whistle blower coming forward either because the victims identities would come out as well and no one wants them to have to relive what we already know they went through. I imagine what they went through was even worse personally and so I really think it would hurt much more than it would help.
reply
There are rape shield laws where victims can testify without their identity being publicized. It happens in courts throughout the country daily. It looks more like powerful rapists avoiding justice.
reply
Very true and I didnt think about that.... I just have a gut feeling that the big juicy docs are going to have a victims name and the rapists name together and so someone trying to blow the lid I would think would not leak those if that makes sense....
I am sure there are plenty of damming documents regardless I just dont know if the ones that we could use to tie person A to person B would even be leaked via whistleblower.
reply
a full blown psyop
It's a meta-psyop to disclose it's always been a psyop
Drip drip drip > Flood