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Seems that somebody was impersonating BTC sessions. Yeah guys, Signal is so "secure"... from scams.
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Seems that somebody was impersonating BTC sessions. Yeah guys, Signal is so "secure"... from scams.
The guy who tried to scam me on orange club app also tried to move our conversation to signal, and he impersonated a fairly prominent bitcoiner. I wonder if this is a trend. Edit: Holy Shit! I just watched the video. This must be the same guy. I had the identical conversation two days ago. Same story. He claimed to be buying miners in Philadelphia, and just needed a loan for 24 hours. He impersonated someone I trusted.
had the same scam experience about 2 years ago...
Would you say it's the same actor / shared playbook?
just watching the video now...
when he says "signal which I consider to be the most private trusted app on my phone" I kinda lost all faith in his ability to think about security. signal's a web-connected honeypot.
don't get me wrong, I use it all day every day to communicate, because it's the best I've gotten my friends to adopt so far. I use it on my Mac too... so I'm no paragon of opsec.
but (I believe) signal is pwned, and has been for quite a while... probably since slightly before Moxie left the project.
Sounds like a similar actor/playbook.
I saved that person's Signal as "scammer" and a have since seen him show up in other btc groups. looks like his profile name published in Signal is "Rachel" right now
All your media gets uploaded to the cloud so they can log IPs - it doesn't really matter if they are compromised. Non-vpn signal usage is a big problem.
I'm going to need to rollover my old no-kyc prepaid t-mo number soon. And I haven't found a good non-kyc alternative that I can be sure of to persist for a while. So I'm trying to decide between alternate software that doesn't need a phone number, or doing more research.
I've had a silent.link esim that has persisted for three years now with only occasional use and topping up (at least once or twice a year).
It's their data only esim though, so can't speak to how persistent the number they offer are.
Is there a non-negligible cost to rolling your esim?
by "rolling" do you mean reinstalling the esim on a new device or topping it up?
I assume "rollover" in your previous comment meant you had to get a new number or a new esim.
in my case, I've been using the same esim and haven't been required to change it or buy a new one. Just send sats to an address and top it up when I need more data.
I may be misunderstanding your question though.
used silent.link for my trip to Japan. slightly expensive, but super effective.
haven't ever tried in the US
Re: edit. That's what I thought. It's just a bunch of kids with a call list. What you should worry about is how you got on the list.
I'm not sure what it costs to join Club Orange, but it's kind of a high bar just to run a failed scam and get barred from the site. Whoever did it must have been confident in his abilities to make that investment. I'm not so sure it's just kids.
Kids are often being recruited by syndicates - like the ones operating the scam compounds in Myanmar. They are vulnerable, uncertain and want to make a quick buck. The investment is not done by the person you talked with.
This reminds me of this Hacked podcast episode, talking about this scenario
https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/hacked-29408/episodes/the-sim-farm-269335802
very few even think about... Because they still do not know how to separate the public from private.
This is one of the smartest things you mention in your guides, by the way. It would go a long way toward stopping incidents like the OP if people implemented it.
I asked this question here on SN and seems that few people know the answer about who is "darthcoin" #1251738
I already suggested the 4 words to use when someone asks you for 10M sats the other day, lol.
the whole thing with the video is also a bit suspicious... Not even to my closest irl fiend will give 10M sats just like that by a chat... something is not smelling good with this video. I post it just for fun.
I think that there are many people that will fall for this shit, because they "trust" technology that is said to be secure. But security is a process.
You might be right. I'm sure people who fall for it feel humiliated and don't talk about it. I'm wondering how often it is successful.
many times unfortunately... You cannot imagine how many people are contacting me in private to tell me that they were scammed... is really sad, and I cannot do too much for them. Some of them I rescued right on time, but some of them was too late.
It's very humiliating, but it's useful to talk about it. As you see we've now uncovered a pattern because people talked about it, so thanks for doing that. Collaborative threat identification is extremely powerful.
He must have known I was a shrimp, not a whale. He asked me for a lot less than he asked Jor. I'm insulted 😀
"I'd like to borrow 100 sats for 24 hours, just to get my miner in Philadelphia set up..."
yeah that crack me up... wtf, you still don't see the scam?
buahahahaha Always play the "poor guy" card...
@DarthCoin does not use Bitcoin wallet on Stacker News. @DarthCoin is deliberately boycotting BTC MoE on Stacker News. Boycott @DarthCoin as long as he maintains this gross hypocrisy.
I was just thinking about downloading the orange club app to try to connect with other Bitcoiners near me but is the alternative more dangerous? Should I not download it?
The app in itself is not dangerous... the people that are also joining and trying to scam you are the problem. Scammers will always be everywhere, so just stay vigilant. If something doesn't smell right, then is a scam and you have options to report them.
Exactly.
This can happen literally anywhere you interact with people, even SN or Nostr.
impersonating is a real danger but also education how to deal with these cheap scam is required. I never got scammed on chat messenger because I simply tell them to fuck off (Darth's style) and my messengers are very well controlled and limited.
Settings -> Privacy -> Phone number -> Who can find me by number -> Nobody.
No more scammers.
basic steps for all chat msgnrs. But i think in this case was something else because he says that was contacted by a trusted user not a random.
I think the scammer impersonated the trusted user too. That's what happened with me.
That means orangepill app have a flaw. On TG for example, you can easily see the userID that is not the same, even that they put in the bio same user name...
Sometimes I just try to scam the scammers and send them a LN invoice of 100k sats to pay before I will start talking.
Good point. I asked Matt about that. You can't distinguish a real account from an impersonator.
unique ID in TG
Then you can use Rose bot to block any scammer. So your online life is so quiet and clean of scammers.
This made me cry laughing lol
Yes, his friend introduced the scammer haha.
buahahaha BTC sessions
Suspicious or not, it is completely true that the "mind has no firewall." Bad actors want to catch you acting without thinking—and how the fuck can any security protect you from pressing send yourself?
Everyone thinks they would "never" do that, but people will do anything if the narrative in their mind makes it the logical conclusion. The point of social engineering is precisely to weave that narrative so that you fuck up irreversibly.
That said, this is easy to avoid when you control who can access you and where: it would be kind of weird for "Mom" to be writing to you from Nostr.
a useful strategy, especialy in the age of AI, is to verify the identity of the entity pinging u thru one or two additional medium(s): physical, digital, or virtual (see: digital vs virtual);
simple example: a friend's mother got called by an impersonator of her son, who said "mom, i got into an accident, i am in a hospital, i need money for a lawyer;" luckily, the father called the son directly on his other phone before the distraught mother sent the funds over;
good points
useful heuristic, but I think it's contrary to the statement "it's hard to convince somebody of something in conflict with how they get their paycheck"
bitcoin users who still have a fiat-trapped mindset will continue to lose access to bitcoin; scammers, whether individuals or state-level corporations, excel at exploiting people's desire to make money; this duping wil continue as long as the god of money remains strong in people's minds; the religion of money is the strongest tool of control in the world! money does not exist in physical reality, only in the minds of men;
read more here: what is a state?
we got to start using a cryptographic web of trust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust
This is THE reason to keep your signing device out of your reach: cooling off period.
@DarthCoin does not use Bitcoin wallet on Stacker News.
@DarthCoin is deliberately boycotting BTC MoE on Stacker News.
Boycott @DarthCoin as long as he maintains this gross hypocrisy.
@DarthCoin is this true?
Ignore the chinese gov agent. He spread only bullshit
Classic attempt to avoid the facts and issues with shoot the messenger bullshit.
Anyone who follows my comments knows I am not a Chinese government agent.
That is just a cheap shot taken by those who cannot credibly respond to the facts and issues raised.
Fuck Xi Jingping and Fuck the Bullshit hypocrit @DarthCoin
If anyone here might be a government agent it would be @Darthcoin.
It is well known that SNs is a place for anti government Libertarians and as such it is inevitable that government spooks will seek to infiltrate and it is standard practice that these infiltrators will be the loudest and most strident in their anti government rhetoric- @DarthCoin fits this profile perfectly.
If anyone here might be a government agent it would be @Darthcoin.
If I only spread bullshit as you assert can you point to any single example of where you have credibly refuted anything I have ever said @DarthCoin
SILENCE.
@Darthcoin is the proven bullshitter- refusing to even use Bitcoin here on Stacker News while claiming to be a toxic Maxi = blatant hypocrit.