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703 sats \ 17 replies \ @ek 30 Jan \ parent \ on: When you post/comment on SN, do you think about how many sats you will earn? meta

wonder why there's less zapping there

I have more reasons:

it's easier to zap on SN since you have a custodial wallet here
nostr has likes so people go down the path of less resistance to show "appreciation" by just liking and not zapping
SN has daily rewards which acts as an incentive for zapping. People are greedy and stingy by nature. SN works with human nature in this aspect while nostr doesn't. What do I get in return for zapping on nostr? A zap receipt that can be counterfeited?

The zap receipt is not a proof of payment, all it proves is that some nostr user fetched an invoice. The existence of the zap receipt implies the invoice as paid, but it could be a lie given a rogue implementation.

-- NIP-57, Appendix E: Zap Receipt Event

Posting on nostr has no fees¹, so there might be less quality content there

Assuming you're not limiting yourself to paid relays like nostr.wine but there, it's just a subscription and not pay per post so you can still post as much of anything as you want with no downsides after you paid the subscription. Or are there relays where you have to pay per published event? ↩

1067 sats \ 12 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

I would like to see a nostr client that requires payment to post, has paid relays and makes zapping anyone easy. The client can be free open source software but it can encourage investing data via cultivated action.

10 sats \ 11 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Jan

I've pitched this idea too. I'd also like people to be able to customize what it costs to reply to their notes.

1004 sats \ 10 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

I think there is a way to post notes in nostr that you have to pay to read. Maybe I saw this somewhere else.

I think here on Stacker it works emotionally for me because I and everyone have to pay to post, like and respond. Also I don't see a shitty more rewards now and later cut down because....

The examples are Fold, Lolli, Fountain and Bitcoin Magazine paying 1000 of sats to get you hooked and then tapering down due to fiat inflation increasing expenses and while Bitcoin increases buying power but not that much.

Here seeing real price discovery. Once the power company, the network provider and expenses are covered it should profitable because it's its own complete product. We are being farmed, too and we like it.

10 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Jan

We are being farmed, too and we like it.

Maybe that should be in consideration for the SN motto/slogan. At the very least, it's a good testimonial.

a way to post notes in nostr that you have to pay to read

That sounds vaguely familiar. It's not what I would be interested in. though. I want people to be able to read my notes, but I would like to put a minimal cost to reply. I was mostly thinking of it as a way to lure bigger fish onto nostr, because it would be a powerful monetization tool that also cuts down on spammy comments.

465 sats \ 8 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

I see. Maybe you can do the serious writing here and share your post in nostr. Advantage is that you post a link and nostr client pulls the article showing a visual. You provide a small intro and then you state that the discussion will be at/in/on Stacked News!

Anyone can read so there is no pay wall, but to comment they have to send sats. They can even zap your work without an account. Leverage Stacker in this case.

Eventually an nip might came about that eliminates this and perhaps the Stacker team builds this in because you bring the business!

I like where you are heading here.

10 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Jan

That's a good idea. I'll start mulling it over.

465 sats \ 6 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

So I've done what I think might work for you now.

Here is a NOSTR post from our thread here....

https://njump.me/nevent1qqs98hm93l5kgplxqzxe7794z8sse847acvapkpky4q8m6fjujvcryqpz3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wcpzqfsad2hgm4shf7qywhz9t4r03v7qfkfc36qv0lsekyguh97rvwj3qvzqqqqqqyn3a8xn

465 sats \ 4 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

Some post from a different client. Presentation is important, too.

https://snort.social/nevent1qqs98hm93l5kgplxqzxe7794z8sse847acvapkpky4q8m6fjujvcryqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzvuhsygpxr442arwkza8cq36ug4w5d79ncpxe8z8gp3l7rxc3rjuhcd362ypsgqqqqqqs2s356h

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 30 Jan

Neat

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516 sats \ 3 replies \ @Scoresby OP 30 Jan

I hadn't thought about the zapping as the sole button on SN. I am definitely guilty of defaulting to shakas on nostr because, well, I can have the interaction and have my sats too.

490 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

I think the beauty here is that sats are freedom of speech and they are also protection of work. Metaphorically it is the 1st and 2nd amendment in action.

The choice of value to add is:

I like so I pay you in an instant. (you just made 0.00001 USD which in an hour would be $2.44 in sats which is a deflationary currency) Combine that with 20 others and that's $40 an hour. Not bad. Meaning that you potentially could be compensated for your time by continuing your positive behavior. It you grew your audience you would have more zaps per second. It's farming.
I like but I don't want to zap so I respond with good information that I have to pay to share!
I like and I can't zap, or comment but I can share somewhere else where my handle is recognized of I bring a new user.

Any of the above activities I can earn sats back from because I am actively gaming the playing field by positive participation and not driving focus to garbage.

I can do all three above.

All of this is net positive, volunteer communication.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 30 Jan

It's crazy how slight differences like this (no likes on SN, only sats as a signal) can have emergent properties.

I like nostr as a protocol though. I just don't like how it's currently mostly used. I really think nostr crippled itself by embracing twitter-like experiences too soon. It might need a few years to recover from that.

But I am starting to sound biased I guess. Can't help myself though. I work on SN for a reason lol

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 30 Jan

Nostr is a monster. It's good because someone can get attention and earn a small amount of sats or at least use them in the wild. The next move, like bitcoin is to learn how things work and start to build or promote. If some person is a half decent writer she can come in with 1000 sats and apply nostr skills to Stacked and she can triple her stack in a few days.

She could read Writer's market from the library and apply that here, too.

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