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20 sats \ 11 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb \ parent \ on: Edmonton Lays Out Plan For ''15 Minutes Cities'' news
This is the exact discription from the WEF.: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
I need to search for more info on this as it is quite a rabbit hole now
Quit linking the WEF and make it seem like that is what the city of Edmonton is doing it. Can you show us the mention of social credit score and carbon credit from any of the official city of Edmonton sites?
Don't just read the title of an article and start making assumptions. Dig a little. This bylaw change is Edmonton's attempt to modernize / allow for more dense development in their city. They are getting rid of single family house zones and allowing duplexes, town houses, and apartments to be built on those zones. So those who wish to build denser can, and those who can afford to build single houses also can. They are also making it easier to get building permits by eliminating the need for builders to go through a regulatory approval process with the city.
I'm not saying this is good or bad, the market will tell. I'm just pointing out that it probably has nothing to do with WEF and their draconian scheme.
Also, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with building walkable neighborhoods where people can live without having to drive. Living in a walkable neighborhood does not mean you can't own a car or travel to far away places that you want to go.
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This is fair, we shouldn't immediately denounce everything as a nefarious attempt to enslave us but there is an odd connection between the 15 minute city crowd and the people that want to control every facet of your life. I think at very least a healthy skepticism is also fair.
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Edmonton's own explanation of why the bylaw update is needed. If you don't have time, scroll down and watch the few YouTube videos embedded on the site. Then decide for yourself if this is indeed nefarious or if the zoning bylaw change has merit.
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No, I don't trust politicians and I don't want them to have more power. Politicians should serve the people, not the other way around. That being said, if you actually look at the changes to the zoning bylaws, you will find that these municipal politicians are not getting more power, but quite the opposite, they are giving back power. For example, not requiring building permits for low impact projects; more clear, concise, and predictable rules so people know what to expect and can plan according to the rules.
This video explains it in better detail
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i definitely understand your point. what makes me suspicious is that this concept is one of the fundamental political initiatives of the WEF. that's why i don't trust it and i've seen it being set up in England with cameras with barriers etc in trials. in England there is a real freedom movement of men who keep dismantling these cameras.
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The WEF initiative is not merely the 15 minute city, but with the inclusions of surveillance, movement control, spending control, and control of every aspect of life for each individual.
I will stress my view again. I don't see anything wrong with developing communities that have more mixed use buildings and businesses, provided that people have complete freedom of movement. There is nothing wrong with encouraging the build out of walkable communities. What we don't want is government control over the people. And these two things can be mutually exclusive.
I was in Edmonton for 3 days and 2 nights in March 2022. There were no surveillance cameras. We went where ever we pleased and were never stopped or questioned by anyone. We drove an out of province car with an out of province plate and no questions were asked.
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And You think this will be the end of the story?
i have no idea where you all suddenly got the feeling that the state can regulate urban planning, commercial settlements, retail, housing better than the free market. for god's sake, let people, investors, traders and entrepreneurs decide where to settle in a decentralized manner in the free play of forces. i have lived my whole life in big cities in southern europe in central europe and have never had the feeling that i lacked anything spatially or materially. the state has never prescribed a concept here, it has merely made areas available on which people could then develop relatively freely. please never forget this: when such projects appear, state actors are only interested in imposing more control, more power, perhaps higher taxation.
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This is some more info regarding Edmonton's new zoning bylaws. The videos in there explain quickly and clearly why they need this change. Check it out, or not, up to you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you are not Canadian and neither have the interest or time to figure out Canadian governments.
Let me explain. The government that fucked the truckers 2 years ago was the federal government, controlled by Trudeau and his Liberals. There are 3 levels of government in Canada, federal, provincial, and municipal. The provincial government of Alberta and its premier, Danielle Smith, is ready to go to war if not already at war with the federal government. And Edmonton just happens to be the provincial capital of Alberta. The government making this zoning bylaw change is the municipal government of Edmonton. If you think everything that every government do in Canada is related to the government that fucked the truckers, I suggest you check the map. Canada happens to be a very large country with many smaller governments.
That being said, I don't believe in politicians and I don't like politics. All I was trying to point out was that sometimes, it's easy to draw conclusions by reacting to a click-baiting title. But when you look further into the story and dig a little deeper, you might find that it is nothing but click bait. Don't trust, verify.
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Thank You for Your patience. i assume that i am a few years older than you. i have lost all trust in politics in the course of my life. i am only concerned with minimizing the influence of politics on my life and that of my family. that's why i'm here, by the way. but thank you for the tips - i'll be happy to take a look.
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