The Davos globalist virus continues to spread, and now the city of Edmonton in Canada has presented its plan to turn the city into an open-air prison. 15 Minute Cities is the latest child of the degenerate lunatics from Davos to bring the free world to its knees in the name of climate change. If this is not stopped soon, it will be too late.
868 sats \ 15 replies \ @tomlaies 5 Feb
The conspiracy theories about 15 min cities are the dumbest kind of conspiracies.
Suburbs with only a highway access and 1 road out are easier to shut people in. Only 1 walmart to starve people in this prison. Cookie cutter houses with 10m^2 are stuffy prison cells.
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148 sats \ 7 replies \ @orthwyrm 5 Feb
I actually live in a 15-minute city. So far no WEF members have wrestled me to the ground and forced me to gargle bugs.
In fact it's just like a regular city except you trade the annoying cars hurtling through the town centre with slightly less annoying cyclists who at least don't give me lung cancer.
Yeah yeah I don't care for the environmental larp either and Klaus can go suck on a big fat commie turd for all I care. Doesn't change the fact that it's nice here and that I think living amongst cars is a colossal ballache.
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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @carlosfandango 6 Feb
Bug eating optional… phew.. Reduced meat consumption in favour of insect protein, pod living, 15-minute cities and ‘own nothing, be happy’ … these things do seem to get presented together in some quarters.
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148 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
I can only recommend everyone here to study the Davos conference, the documents they publish and the homepage intensively if there is time. they reveal the entire concept of a thoroughly planned centralized society, whose power nucleus will of course be the wise green climate philosopher who destroys any individual romanticism with the Net Zero lever.
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @carlosfandango 6 Feb
We cannot beat them, as some believe, by just ranting (plenty of ‘influencers’ do that already) we need to take steps to protect ourselves and engage our communities on the issues as they become apparent.
There are some who, in response to the ‘you’ll own nothing and be happy’ essay sent death threats to the author; Danish politician Ida Auken. Regardless of her politics, her personal views or visions of the future we must be better than merely screaming at these people. They will match threats of violence with increased control and further violence. We have to engage and confront their arguments IMHO.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
that is absolutely correct. so far we are playing the cards of media work, which we should not underestimate, because the mood is created by the media. quite well. the protests are the beginning, if a spicy economic crisis is added, the whole thing can of course escalate, how it then goes on the devil knows
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50 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Good for You. I prefer places where me and my family can freely choose vehicles and lifestyle with less political influence. A nice car should always be a part of modern life if it's financially possible.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @orthwyrm 6 Feb
We could have a car if we wanted one though. You just need a permit to drive it through the town centre.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
yes, but that is precisely the point: a population that has to ask permission from its elected representatives is in no way sovereign. we finance this society and a booming, prosperous society needs personal responsibility, which must find itself without a top-down command
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
So what You say is that this is nonsense? Why don't You read it right from Klaus' homepage, buddy?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @go 5 Feb
There's a fetish with destruction in that piece
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
And a degenerate desire to control the people. In my opinion, as an amateur psychologist, these dubious figures that Klaus Schwab gathers around him and then sends out into the world exhibit the most severe behavioral abnormalities and mental disorders, otherwise this apocalypticism that is being spread can no longer be explained
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @nkmg1c_ventures 5 Feb
Idk if you take the other extreme of this, corporations and governments have been totally fine letting people live unbalanced lives in the other direction for decades -- living in ring cities around main cities with poor infrastructure, commuting hours each way to work. This is common in Ontario, Canada for example.
I have no problem believing that they're willing to lean hard the other way if it is to the benefit of corporations and tax revenue, now that larger scale monetary trends are coming home to roost.
Since people can't afford fuel/energy and service debt due to garbage fiat currency and poor capital investment, the government prints more funny money and "invests in infrastructure" where fewer and fewer people have the capability to own their own vehicles, but the wealth extraction gets more concentrated into fewer companies. It doesn't seem like a conspiracy theory, it seems like a logical conclusion.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
i have no idea where you all suddenly got the feeling that the state can regulate urban planning, commercial settlements, retail, housing better than the free market. for god's sake, let people, investors, traders and entrepreneurs decide where to settle in a decentralized manner in the free play of forces. i have lived my whole life in big cities in southern europe in central europe and have never had the feeling that i lacked anything spatially or materially. the state has never prescribed a concept here, it has merely made areas available on which people could then develop relatively freely. please never forget this: when such projects appear, state actors are only interested in imposing more control, more power, perhaps higher taxation.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nkmg1c_ventures 5 Feb
reading comprehension jfc
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
You're right. Sorry. I was reading three articles, stuff and podcasts simultaneously and copied this as I answered to various others on this topic. A lot here see the state as the only solution to build nice cities. It's crazy.
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440 sats \ 4 replies \ @OriginalSize 5 Feb
I'd prefer a 15-minute government. Any task that takes longer than that should be handled by the free market.
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645 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Sounds good. You got my vote
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53 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 5 Feb
Currently it's government intervention that prevents the free market from using space efficiently and enforces suburbia
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitByBit21 5 Feb
Agreed
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
i like this idea!
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112 sats \ 36 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
- What makes you believe this plan will lead to open-air prisons?
- How do walkable cities bring the free world to its knees?
- If this isn’t stopped soon, what will it be too late for?
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441 sats \ 31 replies \ @grayruby 5 Feb
The idea is that 15 minute cities will coincide with digital ID, carbon/social credit score to control your movement and punish you for travelling too far out of your zone. So you can be tracked, monitored and controlled at all times.
I mean if people want to live in overpriced shoeboxes in cities that want to control how many parking spots a building can have because of climate change. More power to them. Happiness in slavery and all.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Exactly. Thanks!
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10 sats \ 29 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
do you have any links on the digital ID component you can share?
my assumption was that 15 minute cities would not require IDs at all (i don’t carry one around when i walk, but i do when i drive)
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42 sats \ 7 replies \ @grayruby 5 Feb
Some nations already have digital IDs.
From the gov of canada website.
"Digital credentials offer Canadians the ability to confirm their identity during service transactions. Government is looking to leverage new technology to meet this need, while ensuring that trust is maintained and privacy is protected when interacting with government in Canada...
The federal government is in the planning stages of a digital credential eco-system and intends to hold consultations to make sure any systems or platforms are developed with individuals and businesses in mind, and security and privacy at the forefront of the design."
I mean sure it's currently a "conspiracy theory" but I don't think the potential digital ID, CBDC, social/carbon credit scoring integration is a "Sandy Hook was fake" level conspiracy theory more along the lines of the covid 19 came from a lab level conspiracy theory.
I don't know if the people behind 15 minute cities are well intentioned or not but I think it is highly reasonable for people to be skeptical of any effort to redesign people's way of life.
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @carlosfandango 6 Feb
It’s my understanding it was Carlos Moreno who coined the term 15-minute cities in 2015 but it came to prominence in 2020 during the Paris Mayoral elections. The concept itself is quite novel and I have lived in places in Europe that have inadvertantly employed it (by historical road layout or physical geography) the problem was always going to be applying the ‘redesign’ element to existing towns and cities. Its promotion/adoption by the WEF makes it a concern beyond the original concept.
A regional medieval town in the UK with good cycling infrastructure wanting to improve bus times and encourage cars onto a ring road seems quite reasonable… but the vitriol it produced at Council planning meetings was very unpleasant and leads to any reasoned opposition from concerned groups being dismissed as rantings of conspiracy theory nutters.
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148 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
it all always sounds good: shorter distances more bicycles more scooters more e-bikes until you realize that this is another gateway for politics, which will ultimately implement a new instrument of control. that's my point. by the way: when i have looked at urban planning in germany in recent years, it has been a disaster. centrally planned models without the massive corrective influence of the free movement of capital the free establishment of companies retailers other trades, always ends in ugly architecture lack of aesthetics low standard of living
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
It's exactly what they are aiming at. Of course it's crazy but they made it clear at the Davos conferences over the years
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
i think there is good reason to believe people’s current way of life is broken and should be re-designed.
it’s quite common for people to commute an hour in the morning and an hour at night, seems like a total waste of life.
why not design cities in such a way that everyone can live near their work and get the freedom of an extra 10 hours of their life each week?
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793 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
please, this is a very important point: new order always emerges from chaos. but the question is how it emerges. it should not be planned centrally again. People, smaller units, subsidiary institutions and networks create their own order even without a command economy. that would give the state full power again.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr 5 Feb
sure, i agree that 15 minute cities don’t have to be centrally planned. i even agree that cities without central planning can be more robust and vibrant.
but i still don’t see how it’s possible to defend the current situation of commuting 10 hours a week to and from work in a city.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 5 Feb
That's why you stack sats and move out of the city and be happy KR. I will see you on Lake Huron in a few years. :)
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20 sats \ 8 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
i think that the vehemence with which the implementation through CO2 certificates and movement certificates is denied by these players is telling. the fight against individual car mobility, the shortage of parking spaces in city centers and the high taxation of CO2 consumption indicate that private mobility is to be massively reduced in the run-up to the introduction of this urban concept. we all know, for example, that it is impossible to convert the global population that currently owns a car to electric vehicles simply due to a lack of resources. if we now apply the chinese model to europe, it is quite clear that the maximum freedom of movement is to be defined by central authorities with barrier systems, camera surveillance and chip recognition. the whole thing could easily be paired with social scoring models after the introduction of a cbdc.
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21 sats \ 7 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
not true. it will probably be less resource intensive because most of the electric vehicles will be bikes and scooters rather than cars.
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20 sats \ 5 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
that's something you certainly won't find me on your side. as long as i can, i will not accept any order from the state to allocate me means of transportation. i will always fight for free markets and free choice.
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31 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr 5 Feb
the people buying electric vehicles aren’t buying them because of some state order.
they’re buying them because they want them. this is especially true of the electric scooters and bikes.
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
At this point, I am speaking exclusively from the experience of the European: a large part of the motivation stems exclusively from the subsidy and the contribution that we make as taxpayers - there is no deeper ideological conviction to be seen.Incidentally, I don't think I'm alone as a slowly aging man in rejecting children's toys like scooters per se.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
At this point, I am speaking exclusively from the experience of the European: a large part of the motivation stems exclusively from the subsidy and the contribution that we make as taxpayers - there is no deeper ideological conviction to be seen.Incidentally, I don't think I'm alone as a slowly aging man in rejecting children's toys like scooters per se.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
that's something you certainly won't find me on your side. as long as i can, i will not accept any order from the state to allocate me means of transportation. i will always fight for free markets and free choice.
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20 sats \ 11 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
This is the exact discription from the WEF.: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
I need to search for more info on this as it is quite a rabbit hole now
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593 sats \ 10 replies \ @gnilma 5 Feb
Quit linking the WEF and make it seem like that is what the city of Edmonton is doing it. Can you show us the mention of social credit score and carbon credit from any of the official city of Edmonton sites?
Don't just read the title of an article and start making assumptions. Dig a little. This bylaw change is Edmonton's attempt to modernize / allow for more dense development in their city. They are getting rid of single family house zones and allowing duplexes, town houses, and apartments to be built on those zones. So those who wish to build denser can, and those who can afford to build single houses also can. They are also making it easier to get building permits by eliminating the need for builders to go through a regulatory approval process with the city.
I'm not saying this is good or bad, the market will tell. I'm just pointing out that it probably has nothing to do with WEF and their draconian scheme.
Also, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with building walkable neighborhoods where people can live without having to drive. Living in a walkable neighborhood does not mean you can't own a car or travel to far away places that you want to go.
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478 sats \ 6 replies \ @grayruby 5 Feb
This is fair, we shouldn't immediately denounce everything as a nefarious attempt to enslave us but there is an odd connection between the 15 minute city crowd and the people that want to control every facet of your life. I think at very least a healthy skepticism is also fair.
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10 sats \ 5 replies \ @gnilma 5 Feb
Edmonton's own explanation of why the bylaw update is needed. If you don't have time, scroll down and watch the few YouTube videos embedded on the site. Then decide for yourself if this is indeed nefarious or if the zoning bylaw change has merit.
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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Do You really trust these politicians after all what happened? Do You really want to pass them ever more power?
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
If You really think that a government that did what it did 2 years ago to the truckers wouldn't use this nice naïve 15min city-bullshit to grow its power You should really open Your eyes and watch closely. There might be some surprises crossing Your way.
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52 sats \ 1 reply \ @gnilma 5 Feb
This is some more info regarding Edmonton's new zoning bylaws. The videos in there explain quickly and clearly why they need this change. Check it out, or not, up to you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you are not Canadian and neither have the interest or time to figure out Canadian governments.
Let me explain. The government that fucked the truckers 2 years ago was the federal government, controlled by Trudeau and his Liberals. There are 3 levels of government in Canada, federal, provincial, and municipal. The provincial government of Alberta and its premier, Danielle Smith, is ready to go to war if not already at war with the federal government. And Edmonton just happens to be the provincial capital of Alberta. The government making this zoning bylaw change is the municipal government of Edmonton. If you think everything that every government do in Canada is related to the government that fucked the truckers, I suggest you check the map. Canada happens to be a very large country with many smaller governments.
That being said, I don't believe in politicians and I don't like politics. All I was trying to point out was that sometimes, it's easy to draw conclusions by reacting to a click-baiting title. But when you look further into the story and dig a little deeper, you might find that it is nothing but click bait. Don't trust, verify.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Thank You for Your patience. i assume that i am a few years older than you. i have lost all trust in politics in the course of my life. i am only concerned with minimizing the influence of politics on my life and that of my family. that's why i'm here, by the way. but thank you for the tips - i'll be happy to take a look.
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338 sats \ 3 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
thanks for asking. brief background: we have already been experiencing this test in some places in England for some time. cameras are being installed everywhere there, as in China, with the aim of controlling and restricting people's freedom of movement. The aim of the Davos madmen is ultimately to restrict individual freedom of movement via the co2 emissions lever. this is the worst control instrument I can think of and is to be supplemented in Europe with the help of the electronic ID as a passport substitute. in addition, there are CBDC and UBI, all control instruments that will interlock and create the perfect movement, behavior and transaction profile of each individual. if that doesn't bring a private society to its knees, then I don't know what else can follow.
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50 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr 5 Feb
- how do the cameras control people’s movement? wouldn’t it be easier to control movement with cameras if everyone was driving a car? (i don’t need ID to walk, but i do need ID to drive)
- what does the CBDC and UBI have to do with 15 minute cities? don’t they also work in the country?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Please see my other posts sent to You. The countryside clearly has an advantage as they can build autonomous and independent communities
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Besides this: I will decide on my lifestyle, way to move or where to go and not some degenerated commies
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @zarko 5 Feb
fancy and techy concentration camp
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
Sounds familiar... lovely
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 5 Feb
Edmonton is already a dump so why not ruin it further.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 5 Feb
What a pity. Just saw the Gretzky documentary of his time with the Oilers. How could this lovely country fall that deep?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Fabs 6 Feb
What's the uproar about? As if there's nothing more important.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
What about this little thing ancient people called ''freedom''? Don't You see marxism on the rise?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 6 Feb
Those ancient people had the necessary skills and environment to live "free", modern humans have long passed the point-of-no-return in that regard.
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