441 sats \ 31 replies \ @grayruby 5 Feb \ parent \ on: Edmonton Lays Out Plan For ''15 Minutes Cities'' news
The idea is that 15 minute cities will coincide with digital ID, carbon/social credit score to control your movement and punish you for travelling too far out of your zone. So you can be tracked, monitored and controlled at all times.
I mean if people want to live in overpriced shoeboxes in cities that want to control how many parking spots a building can have because of climate change. More power to them. Happiness in slavery and all.
do you have any links on the digital ID component you can share?
my assumption was that 15 minute cities would not require IDs at all (i don’t carry one around when i walk, but i do when i drive)
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Some nations already have digital IDs.
From the gov of canada website.
"Digital credentials offer Canadians the ability to confirm their identity during service transactions. Government is looking to leverage new technology to meet this need, while ensuring that trust is maintained and privacy is protected when interacting with government in Canada...
The federal government is in the planning stages of a digital credential eco-system and intends to hold consultations to make sure any systems or platforms are developed with individuals and businesses in mind, and security and privacy at the forefront of the design."
I mean sure it's currently a "conspiracy theory" but I don't think the potential digital ID, CBDC, social/carbon credit scoring integration is a "Sandy Hook was fake" level conspiracy theory more along the lines of the covid 19 came from a lab level conspiracy theory.
I don't know if the people behind 15 minute cities are well intentioned or not but I think it is highly reasonable for people to be skeptical of any effort to redesign people's way of life.
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It’s my understanding it was Carlos Moreno who coined the term 15-minute cities in 2015 but it came to prominence in 2020 during the Paris Mayoral elections. The concept itself is quite novel and I have lived in places in Europe that have inadvertantly employed it (by historical road layout or physical geography) the problem was always going to be applying the ‘redesign’ element to existing towns and cities. Its promotion/adoption by the WEF makes it a concern beyond the original concept.
A regional medieval town in the UK with good cycling infrastructure wanting to improve bus times and encourage cars onto a ring road seems quite reasonable… but the vitriol it produced at Council planning meetings was very unpleasant and leads to any reasoned opposition from concerned groups being dismissed as rantings of conspiracy theory nutters.
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it all always sounds good: shorter distances more bicycles more scooters more e-bikes until you realize that this is another gateway for politics, which will ultimately implement a new instrument of control. that's my point. by the way: when i have looked at urban planning in germany in recent years, it has been a disaster. centrally planned models without the massive corrective influence of the free movement of capital the free establishment of companies retailers other trades, always ends in ugly architecture lack of aesthetics low standard of living
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I don't know if the people behind 15 minute cities are well intentioned or not but I think it is highly reasonable for people to be skeptical of any effort to redesign people's way of life.
i think there is good reason to believe people’s current way of life is broken and should be re-designed.
it’s quite common for people to commute an hour in the morning and an hour at night, seems like a total waste of life.
why not design cities in such a way that everyone can live near their work and get the freedom of an extra 10 hours of their life each week?
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please, this is a very important point: new order always emerges from chaos. but the question is how it emerges. it should not be planned centrally again. People, smaller units, subsidiary institutions and networks create their own order even without a command economy. that would give the state full power again.
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sure, i agree that 15 minute cities don’t have to be centrally planned. i even agree that cities without central planning can be more robust and vibrant.
but i still don’t see how it’s possible to defend the current situation of commuting 10 hours a week to and from work in a city.
i think that the vehemence with which the implementation through CO2 certificates and movement certificates is denied by these players is telling. the fight against individual car mobility, the shortage of parking spaces in city centers and the high taxation of CO2 consumption indicate that private mobility is to be massively reduced in the run-up to the introduction of this urban concept. we all know, for example, that it is impossible to convert the global population that currently owns a car to electric vehicles simply due to a lack of resources. if we now apply the chinese model to europe, it is quite clear that the maximum freedom of movement is to be defined by central authorities with barrier systems, camera surveillance and chip recognition. the whole thing could easily be paired with social scoring models after the introduction of a cbdc.
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we all know, for example, that it is impossible to convert the global population that currently owns a car to electric vehicles simply due to a lack of resources.
not true. it will probably be less resource intensive because most of the electric vehicles will be bikes and scooters rather than cars.
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At this point, I am speaking exclusively from the experience of the European: a large part of the motivation stems exclusively from the subsidy and the contribution that we make as taxpayers - there is no deeper ideological conviction to be seen.Incidentally, I don't think I'm alone as a slowly aging man in rejecting children's toys like scooters per se.
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At this point, I am speaking exclusively from the experience of the European: a large part of the motivation stems exclusively from the subsidy and the contribution that we make as taxpayers - there is no deeper ideological conviction to be seen.Incidentally, I don't think I'm alone as a slowly aging man in rejecting children's toys like scooters per se.
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This is the exact discription from the WEF.: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
I need to search for more info on this as it is quite a rabbit hole now
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Quit linking the WEF and make it seem like that is what the city of Edmonton is doing it. Can you show us the mention of social credit score and carbon credit from any of the official city of Edmonton sites?
Don't just read the title of an article and start making assumptions. Dig a little. This bylaw change is Edmonton's attempt to modernize / allow for more dense development in their city. They are getting rid of single family house zones and allowing duplexes, town houses, and apartments to be built on those zones. So those who wish to build denser can, and those who can afford to build single houses also can. They are also making it easier to get building permits by eliminating the need for builders to go through a regulatory approval process with the city.
I'm not saying this is good or bad, the market will tell. I'm just pointing out that it probably has nothing to do with WEF and their draconian scheme.
Also, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with building walkable neighborhoods where people can live without having to drive. Living in a walkable neighborhood does not mean you can't own a car or travel to far away places that you want to go.
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This is fair, we shouldn't immediately denounce everything as a nefarious attempt to enslave us but there is an odd connection between the 15 minute city crowd and the people that want to control every facet of your life. I think at very least a healthy skepticism is also fair.
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Edmonton's own explanation of why the bylaw update is needed. If you don't have time, scroll down and watch the few YouTube videos embedded on the site. Then decide for yourself if this is indeed nefarious or if the zoning bylaw change has merit.
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No, I don't trust politicians and I don't want them to have more power. Politicians should serve the people, not the other way around. That being said, if you actually look at the changes to the zoning bylaws, you will find that these municipal politicians are not getting more power, but quite the opposite, they are giving back power. For example, not requiring building permits for low impact projects; more clear, concise, and predictable rules so people know what to expect and can plan according to the rules.
This video explains it in better detail
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i definitely understand your point. what makes me suspicious is that this concept is one of the fundamental political initiatives of the WEF. that's why i don't trust it and i've seen it being set up in England with cameras with barriers etc in trials. in England there is a real freedom movement of men who keep dismantling these cameras.
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This is some more info regarding Edmonton's new zoning bylaws. The videos in there explain quickly and clearly why they need this change. Check it out, or not, up to you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you are not Canadian and neither have the interest or time to figure out Canadian governments.
Let me explain. The government that fucked the truckers 2 years ago was the federal government, controlled by Trudeau and his Liberals. There are 3 levels of government in Canada, federal, provincial, and municipal. The provincial government of Alberta and its premier, Danielle Smith, is ready to go to war if not already at war with the federal government. And Edmonton just happens to be the provincial capital of Alberta. The government making this zoning bylaw change is the municipal government of Edmonton. If you think everything that every government do in Canada is related to the government that fucked the truckers, I suggest you check the map. Canada happens to be a very large country with many smaller governments.
That being said, I don't believe in politicians and I don't like politics. All I was trying to point out was that sometimes, it's easy to draw conclusions by reacting to a click-baiting title. But when you look further into the story and dig a little deeper, you might find that it is nothing but click bait. Don't trust, verify.
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Thank You for Your patience. i assume that i am a few years older than you. i have lost all trust in politics in the course of my life. i am only concerned with minimizing the influence of politics on my life and that of my family. that's why i'm here, by the way. but thank you for the tips - i'll be happy to take a look.
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