This guy showed up on my radar a few months ago. Since 2019 he's been a bitcoiner, but he has a traditional finance Wall Street background. When I listen to him I am fascinated and infuriated at the same time.
He's very pro ETF, very bullish on bitcoin's fiat price, and basically thinks bitcoiners need to grow up and accept that Wall Street will now own bitcoin.
He's depressing to listen to, but I can't easily ignore him. He's obviously intelligent.
He's very dismissive of the bitcoin can save the world narrative.
I would like to know what stackers think of him. If you haven't heard his take, here's a link:
I think is the "replacement" of Greg Foss :) One goes down, another one comes up...
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He's not as over the top nuts as Foss, and he doesn't constantly repeat himself :)
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Because is not invited so much on podcasts... give it some time.
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Maybe you're right. I think his love for Wall Street and ETFs might piss off most bitcoin podcasters. Foss believes bitcoin will take over the financial system, at least. BTW, I feel bad for Foss and his personal problems, but he really is impossible to listen to.
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In Bitcoin world, or at least in this transition period... there are many roles that are pushed by W.Street boys: influencers, bag pumpers, TA charts experts, analysts, philosophers etc.
Foss as Krueger had their roles in all this, to pump the bags of all those speculators on the market. Perfectly explained here: https://m.primal.net/HgKT.mp4
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Thanks. I'll check this out. I enjoyed Foss rant on the ordinals guys, and now he apologized!
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Happy I never saw Gres Foss's content then. Just heard his name a few times.
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You didn't lose anything. I just saved you some time.
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Haven't you heard Foss is back and announced that he was diagnosed as bi-polar and did a mea culpa over accosting Udi and Eric at last years Bitcoin conference. I thought dressing down those clowns was his best work but I guess we are getting the kinder, gentler Foss now.
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I'm bullish on everything about bitcoin. If it doesn't do the world a great service, then it'll trend to a volatile minimalist state like the old testnet. As for impact, the Bitcoin experiment I feel will look like the American experiment. Anyone doubtful of bitcoin's forces beyond its ticker quote price doesn't understand it, hasn't developed a [healthy] relationship with it, and is a moonboi, and up to the present time, I define moonboi's as gambling junkies masquerading as investors who have gotten rekt by volatility at some point swapping it for a weaker money/asset, or just gotten lucky with the timing and passed it off to an audience as intelligence. I see a little bit of everything happening in this exchange:
Does bitcoin save the world? Every bitcoiner goes back and forth on this question wether they admit it or not. The rabbit hole is deep man. How deep and hypothetical do we go? Regardless, the world needs adjustments, some rebuilds, and people willing to make sacrifices. Today my feeling is below, but always ready to re-visit my worldview:
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I really dug this -- first different btc take that I've heard in a while, and I suspect that he's right -- the worldview he has is a lot more numerous in the world than what we hear in the btc ecosystem. Lots of really good points and an interesting perspective.
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I've listened to 1 pod of him and a few clips, I think he discounts the ability to rug a custodian, the temptation to do it, and the adversarial climate that will surround something like a big ass concentration of Bitcoin in one place
Wall Street and tradFI will experience their rugging event, of that I am sure, no time frame on it but I can't see how a large concentration of pooled bitcoin doesn't get rugged, all you need is one disgruntled employee, one slip-up, one mistaken download of software and it can all go tits up.
Especially since all the funds are not cold, some have to be hot and interaction between hot and cold only open up risk, if exchanges can't safely hold on to Bitcoin, why would a product built on exchanges be able to do it?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @joda 1 Mar
I don't actually know if it's hot. I assume coinbase is just moving numbers on their ledger (not "Ledger").
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Always a possibility, can't rule it out, I am no expert in their custody practices or how they integrate and consolidate their various verticles, IE spot trading, ETF custody, OTC desk, institutional custody, derivatives trading nor how they rebalance it but I would assume they have to do it every day at least, money moves in and out so there has to be funds hot at all times to service that demand
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Well his view is the Wall Street view....I mean Larry Fink undoubtedly thinks that now that he's showed up he is going to be able to command the market. I don't mean that as a conspiracy, just simply the natural perspective that "yeah the wall streeters think they are the most important players".
I do think that they all still don't grok enough of the nuances of this new world. Like I don't think they've fully conceptualize that structurally BTC isn't going to simply plug into the fiat world very cleanly in the ways they imagine.
For instance, the rehypothecation of gold exist because "heavy fuckin rocks" problem. People really can only transfer paper gold because its simply impossible to transfer, hold, and secure 8000 lbs of heavy rocks.
Whether its gold, corn, oil, etc....they've been able to have the same game because of this same situation. Investors don't actually want to own a tractor-trailer of corn....
These issues don't exist with BTC and I'm not sure if all of this has dawned on them. I think a hint of that is how currently 95% of all ETFs are custody at Coinbase. Like this is a new existential threat that they aren't fully appreciating. There is no solution if 180,000 BTC gets stolen from coinbase custody....I mean if this happens in NASDAQ / DTCC exchange world, they simply reset the database entries and keep going. If this happens to their ETF coins, well they are gone and there is no printing new ones.
But they are smart people, and in time (probably rather quickly) these ideas are going to dawn on them and they will start to adjust.
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I think there's some truth to what Fred is saying. Bitcoin is being partially subsumed into the financial system, and there's not much we can do to stop it. The permissionless nature of bitcoin means there's no way to block Wall Street's participation.
Bitcoin is nowhere near ready to replace the financial system as we know it. We still need to figure out how to scale Layer 2. It's a harsh reality but it's the one we're in.
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Quite simply, without scaling, it doesn't have as much value.
I think the time is nigh for Wall Street to start dumping heavy money into Bitcoin development. I am afraid of the influence and speed though.
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I can't believe no podcaster has made the connection to Freddy Kreuger yet and called an episode Nightmare on Wall St.
It is good to have former tradfi guys on side to speak the lingo tradfi and institutions want to hear but his perspective is annoying. Oh well he selling at 500k anyways.
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I know. I wondered if they're too young?
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Pete is of my vintage. He should have been all over that.
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Wall Street will now own bitcoin.
Just like they "own" gold. Like Saylor, he says some right things but many I disagree with. I believe he said he would be moving his holdings into the ETFs before they were approved. My short summary of him is he's a believer in the state and status quo. He doesn't believe we need bitcoin to be a medium of exchange. He's fine with PayPal and Venmo for that. I think he's going to be right until he isn't. I don't think he believes the US financial system will eventually collapse. He's wrong about that. In the short term he may be right.
I share your feelings on him. I try to listen to smart people I disagree with even if it is annoying.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @joda 1 Mar
What do you disagree with Saylor about?
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He's a minarchist and this means he has many views about the state and bitcoin's relationship to the state that I disagree with.
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The more I think about it, I agree with Saylor more than this guy.
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Wall street will get fucked. There is no central bank to bail them out and they will end up forking off with an inflation coin. Rent seekers can't help but rent seek.
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I liked your opinion, I'll save this link for later
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He's one of the reasons I left Twitter. I agree with everything you say about him. I can add a few things:
  • He thinks all the Bitcoin affinity scams (Stacks, etc) are a way to scale Bitcoin. He has a very weak definition of what is an L2.
  • He does not want to call out scammers such as British Hold.
  • He is a fiat maximalist.
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To be fair, with experience, he might come around on the L2s. But for now, he sounds like the typical guy who just found out about Bitcoin, beyond the investment narrative, and thinks he will solve the scaling issues with the first idea that comes to his head, not realizing that brighter and more technical people have been thinking about this for more than a decade. It is not an easy problem, and every solution comes with compromises on what Bitcoin currently stands for.
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I don’t understand how British hodl is a scammer all the guy says is get to one bitcoin! What is the scam in that?
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I forgot this stuff. Yep
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Got any more info on why you think British Hodl is a scammer?
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Check for tweets by @ShireH0DL. Can't link directly to specific tweets as I don't want to reactivate my account.
I don't believe he changed his ways.
You can give him the benefit of the doubt of course.
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Thanks will take a look
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