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Mutiny Wallet is now available on iOS and Android! 🚀x.com/MutinyWallet/status/1765437625710588356

5564 sats \ 38 comments \ @TonyGiorgio 6 Mar bitcoin

"Today, anyone can visit app.mutinywallet.com and get a self-custodial lightning wallet "

How can you say that is self custodial when you push the user to use that single domain and not their OWN Mutiny server? If that domain goes busted, users are fucked or have to do mental gymnastics to recover that node somewhere else.

At least put a big warning that they should run their own Mutiny server/node for that.

PLEASE do not mislead new clueless users that just download the app without knowing the risks.

256 sats \ 4 replies \ @joda 6 Mar

It literally says "Don't trust us! Use your own servers to back Mutiny."

And every time I've heard them talk about it they've said this.

Sometimes it's like you expect people to engineer FTL space travel before they can walk.

32 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 6 Mar

I wonder how many Mutiny users are really using their own server... or just default app.mutinywallet.com

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @nout 7 Mar

Changing config is fairly, but deployment is tricky. It would be great if the setup would be as part of node bundles like Umbrel:

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @joda 6 Mar

I'm SURE anyone who knows HOW, IS using their own. It's the whole reason to run your own (so you can use it), right?

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 6 Mar

#453267

200 sats \ 5 replies \ @BitByBit21 7 Mar

I had big expectations for Mutiny but unfortunately I had a bad experience like other people I think. After just a few days of using it, my channel was suddenly force-closed and the reason was that I had manually force-closed the channel, which of course I didn't. Later they said that's because probably I had a pending payment and closed the app for a few days and it needed to close, which IMO is absurd. Now it's been almost 2 weeks and my funds are stuck on-chain so I can't use them. I know this is related to their LSP, which is from a third party AFAIK, but now I'm not so sure I want to pay for opening a new channel. I haven't had this kind of issue with other wallets and I've heard this has happened to other Mutiny users too. Hopefully they will find a way to avoid this kind of situations.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @justBrian 7 Mar freebie

i have had this happen with mutiny 😔 and hasnt happened with other node in a phone LSP wallets.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @TonyGiorgio OP 7 Mar

Unfortunately it's part of the lightning protocol. Lightning only works because of the timelocks involved. We do what we can, and most channels don't close, but we can't do anything any time soon about a payment that NEEDS to process to completion but doesn't come back online. If it didn't close, funds could be lost. Would you rather than instead? Channels that occasionally close is just part of lightning unfortunately. Cost of being sovereign.

121 sats \ 2 replies \ @BitByBit21 7 Mar

I know that there are trade-offs using Lightning but I never had this kind of issues with other wallets such as Phoenix or my own node. I just think it's disappointing because this channel force-closed after just 5 days, having paid to open it, just because I was trying to zap 21 sats on Nostr and for some reason the payment didn't go through. So don't get me wrong, I love Mutiny for many reasons but this is a really bad user experience.

150 sats \ 1 reply \ @TonyGiorgio OP 7 Mar

Phoenix removes almost all parts of a self sovereign lightning experience. I get it, they 'provide the best lightning wallet' at the cost of it only being usable with their node.

Meanwhile your node is probably always online and available to process the payments.

I appreciate the honest feedback and your patience/support, and I agree it sucks. Which is why we've been spending a lot of time on fedimint support. With it, casual low value payments/receives will be processed by a federation with no risk of channel closure or offline payment issue. Meanwhile high valued payments can come out of self custody. It works well, but there's not many federations yet. I hope this changes soon so we can have a good set of trade offs for different use cases.

101 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitByBit21 7 Mar

Thank you for taking the time to explain. I like that Mutiny is trying to offer alternatives and expand the use cases so I guess this is all part of the discovery process. I'm particularly excited about your fedimint implementation. I've been playing recently with Cashu wallets and I'm pretty sure the use of eCash will grow exponentially. I hope to be able to create my own fedimint soon for family and friends.

552 sats \ 0 replies \ @kr 6 Mar

love to see it!

410 sats \ 0 replies \ @KLT 6 Mar

Love mutiny wallet and glad they’re pushing Fedimint as well.

422 sats \ 0 replies \ @MaxAWebster 6 Mar

This is awesome! Congrats guys

400 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 6 Mar

👏👏 more options the better!! Congrats

300 sats \ 2 replies \ @jake 6 Mar

Nice – excited to see how the deep linking experience is now. I tapped an invoice on my phone the other day and realized I couldn't select Mutiny, likely because I had it installed as a PWA. Looking forward to trying this out! ⚡️🙌

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 6 Mar

I tapped an invoice on my phone the other day and realized I couldn't select Mutiny, likely because I had it installed as a PWA.

Works for me on Android with SN but iOS has quite some limitations when it comes to PWAs including constraints on deep linking.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 6 Mar

Yes I can confirm this too, on Android works nice the deep links. I use it in the beginning for testing as PWA but after a while I switched to installed apk.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @brave 7 Mar

Congrats to yet another feat, this goes to show how great things start small

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 6 Mar

Wasn't it always available on iOS and Android? So now its just available in the Apple App store and the Google play store.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 6 Mar

Yeah -- the tweet even mentions the progressive web app as the way folks were using it before. Putting it in the stores is nice for adoption, though.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SatsMate 7 Mar

Yikes, expensive to set up a lightning channel. How is this calculated? Is it going for the lowest possible fees or the average fee rate?

Looks like a cool app though, I will use it over time!

How long will the lightning channel remain open?
What can be done for those in third-world countries that don't have 12,000 sats to open their first lightning channel?
What are the most effective strategies to maximize inbound liquidity with lower fees?

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @TonyGiorgio OP 7 Mar

Channel fee is calculated mostly based on the on chain fees.

I don't think the LSP currently closes the channels yet, so usually just occasional lightning requirements/bugs cause channel closes.
We're working on fedimint integrations for smaller amounts before having enough to open a channel
Usually by sending a bigger payment in and then withdrawing out most of it.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @guts 6 Mar

How good is this wallet compared to others?

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 7 Mar

Is not just a wallet. Is a LN node. So apart from the LSP you can also open and manage your own LN channels with other peers.

Here you have a comparison guide of all LN wallets: https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/lightning-wallets-comparison And here you have a more graphical comparison (based on functionalities):

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 7 Mar

Oh that infographic is nifty.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @go 6 Mar

Well, it's the only wallet that also allows for fedimint funds as well. It's also self-custodial.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @guts 7 Mar

How does fedimint work?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 7 Mar

It's also self-custodial.

Please specify that YOU MUST run your own Mutiny node in order to be self-custodial. Otherwise is not different than Phoenix or WoS.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justBrian 7 Mar freebie

is mutiny wallet considering a persistent mode for the app, so that nwc zaps can be processed without having to open the app? thank you for the hard work 🫡

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @PlebeiusG 6 Mar

Why bother? Now you are a slave.

Welcome to the walled garden... 😒

I liked you more as a PWA...

140 sats \ 0 replies \ @benthecarman 6 Mar freebie

its both now

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @SaToSHiWoMaN 6 Mar outlawed

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