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Spaniards dedicate more than 75% of their salary to taxes. Modern slavery.

3741 sats \ 23 comments \ @javier 5 Apr libertarian

Spaniards already dedicate more than 75% of their salary to taxes: Indirect taxes, the 69 tax increases this year, and 50% of the salary for social security make Spaniards the people in Europe whose tax pressure has increased the most since 2019. Tax experts already talk about “modern tax slavery”. The video in the link is in Spanish but I believe you may be able to translate the subtitles. A psychologist analyze this new modern version of slavery.

(ES) Los españoles dedican ya más del 75% de su sueldo a impuestos: Los impuestos indirectos, las 69 subidas del fisco, y el 50% del sueldo para cotizaciones y varios hacen de los españoles el pueblo de europa al que más suben la presión fiscal desde 2019. Expertos fiscales hablan ya de “esclavismo fiscal moderno”

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186 sats \ 15 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

There's plenty of room in America for people who hate taxes. Come on over.

247 sats \ 4 replies \ @javier OP 5 Apr

Which place do you recommend?

83 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

Somewhere in the middle.

I'd recommend looking in southern Indiana or eastern Tennessee, first. Their climates aren't terrible, they both have pretty forests and hills, the cost of living is low, and they have low tax burdens.

67 sats \ 0 replies \ @javier OP 5 Apr

Great.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @criptopanas 5 Apr

But to live in the USA you need a Green Card...and that is not easy to get neither cheap.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

True, but incomes are higher here (almost 2x) and you're losing a lot less to taxes.

Also, my motivation is selfish. I want more people around who also hate taxes.

82 sats \ 9 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Apr

America is still a state corporation... so same shit but with more lipstick. Let me know when there's NO state at all.

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

Let me know where there is no state at all. Until then, we are looking for the shit with the most lipstick.

171 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 5 Apr

I have used my own "approach": I am the ONLY "state" that can govern myself. Wherever am I. And I don't give a shit about any other state that want to put me under their jurisdiction.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

I'm glad you're attempting that. Maybe someday I'll see a path to do something similar.

50 sats \ 5 replies \ @dieselbaby 5 Apr

There are plenty of places one can go abroad (if you live in the states, that is) where you can live and enjoy a much higher quality of life than you would in the US, for far less money and bullshit to deal with.

However, the US government, corrupt as they are, will still "make you" pay taxes. Utterly absurd, should be criminal. Remember, the income tax was supposed to be a "temporary measure", lol.

If you wanna get out from under that boot, you have to renounce your citizenship which is a whole mess in and of itself, and you also have to pay a fine/fee to do so. They find a way to get their cut, no matter what.

360 sats \ 3 replies \ @javier OP 5 Apr

There is no need to renounce citizenship and pay a fee because you are not a citizen. Citizen is just another corporation, and you are the administrator. Just resign from your position as administrator and that's it. You can even be partially administrating that corporation as you wish, and other times you don't.

Understand the scam.

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

If you never intend to return to the US, then you can largely do as you wish.

If you do want to return to the US, the IRS doesn't give a shit about these sorts of technical arguments.

Irwin Schiff died of old age in prison for explaining why people weren't legally required to pay income taxes.

215 sats \ 1 reply \ @javier OP 5 Apr

Irwin Schiff still believed in the State and in the Constitution? If that is so, he was not out of the system, he was fully under the jurisdiction of the State.

What I'm explaining is jut to resign your total participation in the jurisdition of the state because you understand you are not a citizen, but it's administrator, and you can resign at any time because you are alive and free. You can break the contract, because you never signed into it anyway, and you have been dishonestly lied and manipulated into believing in it. That is coercion or scam, and that is against natural law.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

More power to you, but I don't think it's going to change the IRS or DOJ agents' minds.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Apr

There are plenty of places one can go abroad (if you live in the states, that is) where you can live and enjoy a much higher quality of life than you would in the US, for far less money and bullshit to deal with.

Where do you recommend?

186 sats \ 2 replies \ @quark 5 Apr

But they have the best free health care system. Oh wait it is being destroyed. Anyway. Good luck. Then they wonder why people are leaving Spain.

228 sats \ 1 reply \ @javier OP 5 Apr

This is a constructed myth and a propaganda of the Spanish gov. You usually have to wait several months if not months for operations, and there are some things that social security does not cover, such as some types of cancer, psychologists, and physiotherapy.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @quark 5 Apr

Yeah I guess some people die in the operate waiting list. At least they had a chance.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @criptopanas 5 Apr

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @sancristrader 5 Apr

I am an American expat who's been living in Spain for 2.5 years. Spain feels a bit more hopeful than Germany or France: I heard outright libertarian or free enterprise ideas from people who actually work for the government, something unthinkable in the US.

3 sats \ 0 replies \ @justanumber 6 Apr

It's still a fiscal nightmare and tax hell though. It's seems like the EU is turning into a digital dystopia, also.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justanumber 6 Apr freebie

Thanks for sharing. I can't find anyway of translating it. What is the general gist of the discussion? Is it just saying how the Spanish tax system is robbing people? I'm guessing you are in Spain? Are you looking to leave? Paraguay might be a good option, especially for Spanish speakers. Easy to get a residence apparently and you don't have to live there or be present in the country for a very long time, so you can "legally" live/stay elsewhere (including Spain and EU to see family etc) but just not stay long enough anywhere to be classed as tax resident. Also finding a bank account that is not in the EU and does not do CRS (Common Reporting Standard) would be good. I am just in the process of researching this at the moment. Also I believe Paraguay might be "crypto" friendly country. You might have to "cancel" your EU/Spanish residency though but could be worth it.