By Connor O’Keeffe
While these students are right to oppose the horrific Israeli attacks on Gaza, many of the protests reflect leftist groupthink and typical higher education collectivism.
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115 sats \ 27 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 1 May
This is really good. Maybe the best summary of the protests and the reactions to them I've seen.
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62 sats \ 14 replies \ @siggy47 1 May
100%
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10 sats \ 13 replies \ @Bell_curve 1 May
He is ignoring the violence and theft committed by these so called protestors but really lunatics and thugs
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10 sats \ 12 replies \ @siggy47 1 May
I haven't seen any dead babies yet.
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64 sats \ 11 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
I said violence not homicides
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52 sats \ 10 replies \ @siggy47 2 May
I have read your posts and I think you and I probably agree 99 percent of the time about politics. This one is tough for me to just text about. I would need a long face to face over a few drinks. Just for the record, I'm no fan of Soros.
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54 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
My friends also have described me this way lol.
We agree on 99 percent but we spend all our time arguing about the one percent lol
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54 sats \ 5 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May freebie
@siggy47
You are right we should discuss in person or over the phone
I am on signal and telegram if you want to chat
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31 sats \ 1 reply \ @nichro 2 May
A podcast is taking form
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 2 May
Tonight is bad but it's a good idea.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Fair enough
My rhetoric is worse than my bite.
I am so sick of these protests and they can get worse in the future.
Many protesters were not even students. Some were grad students.
Those that have been arrested need to be interrogated possibly waterboarded and tortured to find out their ringleader. We need names and they will sound like Elia Kazan
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
I don’t like these schools or these protesters and I have no desire to stop my enemies from hurting each other.
You don’t need to let yourself get dragged into it.
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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @Bell_curve 5 May
He completely ignores the illegal camps setup on campus and taking over a building. These are illegal actions regardless of your support of Hamas and Palestinians. Civil disobedience means accepting the legal consequences of your actions. Ask Thoreau and Gandhi and MLK.
Reagan approach to college campus disturbances when he was governor of California
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79 sats \ 10 replies \ @kingzing131 7 May
I mean unless you have been so obedient to all the different US leading political parties, that you have no raised or joined any protest, I don't see why you are praising Reagan's approach.
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Civil disobedience does not imply you have to take legal consequence. The very fact you only list the leaders show how incorrect it is. Historically the leaders and those who are caught would accept the legal consequences.
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Modern day public disobedience have been very much decentralised and fairly leaderless. Good luck with mass arrest with legal consequences not leading to a massive social issues.
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both Gandhi and MLK movements came together with mass riots from other political activists.
The goal for any "illegal" means to protest isn't to get arrested, that would be very much against the point lol
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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 May
What you are advocating is anarchy and social disorder
Some of us still want a society based on rule of law
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21 sats \ 8 replies \ @kingzing131 7 May freebie
Rule of Law, not rule by law. Learn the difference.
Which part of North Korea are you from? Or are you new to this world, only getting exposed to social movements?
The US literally had a deadly riot over a beer ban, hell most democratic countries had public disobedience or riot some part of its established history.
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 May freebie
Rule of law is rule by law.
You are confusing rule by law with rule by men or tyrants.
You are also confusing civil disobedience with rioting. Riots are not civil.
1965 watts riots were an example of social decay not civil disobedience
The French Revolution was a disaster because of the guillotine.
Social movements don’t require chopping heads or arson or theft
210 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 1 May
This is the best take I have seen. Too bad this type of nuanced analysis will never get through the media sound byte bullshit.
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157 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 1 May
Its there for those that seek. Most would rather hear cheerleading for their chosen side. Few reconsider their betters direction.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 1 May
He left the part out about funding from NGO and Soros
I applied for a Soros foundation scholarship in college. I never heard back
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98 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 2 May
Divide and conquer tactic working as planned (men vs women; white vs non-white; left vs right; Russia vs NATO; Gaza vs IDF, etc...), get the lemmings fight each other and they will never rebel against their masters (i.e., bankers, governments and whoever puts them in office). Machiavelli must be so proud
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114 sats \ 10 replies \ @grayruby 1 May freebie
Yeah I need to check my ideological bias when it comes to these protests. I intuitively want to say "shut up commie kids" but I don't think America should be funding middle east wars and attacks on civilians either.
Great article.
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196 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 May
It’s quite the “two things can be true” situation.
Most of those kids are obnoxious commies who have no idea what they’re talking about and they’re on the right side of a historically important issue.
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41 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 2 May
I have nothing left to say. @Undisciplined just nailed it.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 1 May
I don’t agree that Israel attack on Palestinians is horrific.
If you are going to kill Israel civilians then expect a violent disproportionate response. Stop crying about proportion and civilians. War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. We give them war and hell. War is hell
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
Why shouldn’t Israel expect the same when they kill even more Palestinians?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
They should expect the worst from Hamas and their allies.
What I referred to earlier was Palestinian crocodile tears regarding disproportionate response.
Israel is so mean with their response.
Israel is killing civilians and children.
Blah blah blah
Hamas rhetoric turns to crybaby when they are losing
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31 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
Israel is killing civilians and children and American taxpayers are paying for it. That seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to protest.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Fair enough
America should stop aiding Israel
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 1 May
I wanted to shoot these protesters. They are really thugs and lunatics.
Best deterrent is shooting and killing criminals
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22 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
You aren’t exactly coming off as someone who seems opposed to irrational violence.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
What is rational violence?
What is the line between rational and irrational violence?
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83 sats \ 23 replies \ @Satosora 1 May
Actually, I feel in these protests, a lot of innocent people get drawn into them.
They dont realize that some people are driving the agenda, and then it becomes not so peaceful.
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30 sats \ 21 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 May
I'd say "naive", rather than "innocent". If you join a group, you take on the responsibility of having joined it.
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93 sats \ 19 replies \ @Satosora 1 May
Yes, that is the word I am looking for.
College kids dont know what they are doing, they just go in groups to do things.
I would hate to be in one of those protests where they tear gas everyone and use rubber balls.
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40 sats \ 16 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Most college students don’t take over campus and building.
Most are studying for finals exams.
The few who created havoc should be expelled and jailed for domestic terrorism. This way they get no due process
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0 sats \ 15 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
Most of this has been happening at private universities where the student body overwhelmingly supports the protesters and the administration has chosen to enable them.
Not your circus, not your monkeys.
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10 sats \ 14 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Most of the student body has not participated. It’s a small minority that has created havoc
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10 sats \ 13 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
Why does that bother you so much that you want to kill people over it?
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83 sats \ 5 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Different but related topic
If you block traffic on a highway or bridge, should cars stop and tolerate criminals or should we run them over?
I vote running them over
Protestors blocking traffic did not have right of way
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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @Satosora 2 May
Some people get awarded the darwin award early in life.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
But also the collateral damage such as regular students who can’t study for finals or sleep
Imagine being a student in this position
But no, we must understand the protestors and negotiate.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 5 May
How Reagan handled protestors on college campuses when he was governor of California
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 May
For sure
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Clueless definitely not innocent
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 May
Ignorance is no excuse for violence. They should feel lucky to be alive
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69 sats \ 9 replies \ @kingzing131 4 May
I have quite a lot of experience in these encampment style of protesting when I was a student and again when I was a working adult (across the world somewhere else).
I would say this is a fair assessment. and the general public (especially those screaming "law and order") just don't get what it's like.
There are not PR for these protest nor KYC component, there's hijacking, with everything is publicly on display 24/7.
Of course it's easy to scream "law and order".
And it's not a surprise it's the same crowd that think Israel is worth defending about, when it's quite literally a bloodlust loose dog that has zero respect for the US and the allies.
Without the west support, Israel would have never received all the positive spotlight and tech as if it's not just another ultra right wing nationalistic country in the region.
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 4 May
For people who are upset about the chaos of this type of protest, what do you think is a more productive way to oppose them?
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69 sats \ 1 reply \ @kingzing131 4 May
protest is an escalation.
people who are upset should push for action from politicians.
Not necessarily to clear them out but to ask them to do something.
The issue is people think the solution is clearing them out by force.
We all know it doesn't work, because it's a patch work that does nothing in solving the root cause.
It will need negotiation at all levels, effective and early enough so things don't get worse. And it will get worse the longer it gets.
Personally I think it's ironic there's so much dislike against these protest when many here wanted a huge global anti vaccine protest.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 4 May
I think the mental adjustment has been difficult for people. For the past decade, campus lefties have generally been pretty irritating to most people and it's easy to just default into that feeling.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 May
We have an expert in encampment style of protesting.
How lucky for all of us.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @kingzing131 7 May
nah, the gov is definitely lucky to have bot like you too.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 7 May
Do you buy your tents or do you steal them?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kingzing131 7 May
Careful, your big daddy gov might think you want to be part of us
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 7 May
I see you are pleading the fifth.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kingzing131 7 May
But I ain't from the US, so nope.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @topical 2 May
they’re demanding their universities to defund the occupation. who wouldn’t support that?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 2 May
I don't think it's right to say that there's one particular thing they're doing. Most normal people do support defunding the occupation, but our decision makers are beholden to Israel, so they aren't going to support it.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 1 May
Peaceful law abiding protestors are fine. Violent lunatics are the opposite. Taking over a building is illegal. Punish violence and theft committed by crazy violent protestors
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 1 May
Taking over a building is illegal if the owner objects.
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