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I attended the first of what I hope will be many bitcoin meetups at the Melville Deli Friday night. I first visited the deli back in September of last year. I posted about it here. Since then I have kept in touch with @Simaan, who is a great guy and a very committed bitcoiner. His deli is the only business on Long Island that I know of that accepts bitcoin.
I don’t get out much. Most bitcoiners I know are the people I talk to every day here on SN. I have made three or four pilgrimages to PubKey, but that’s about it when it comes to interacting with real, live bitcoiners in meat world. So when I found out that Simon was holding his first meetup at the deli, I was excited. I had an even better time than I expected.
Simon hosted the meetup at the deli after hours. He provided all the food and drink at no cost. He is a very generous guy, but I plan to try to convince him to accept some sats for future events. There were tables and chairs set up in the back, which provided plenty of space for the dozen or so people who attended.
The structure was informal, but worked very well. Simon had everyone introduce themselves and describe their connection to bitcoin. This inspired some great conversation. Some attendees had traveled 50 miles to attend. There were newbies, two non-bitcoiners who wanted to learn, and a smattering of interesting bitcoin characters.
One guy described himself as a full-time bitcoin evangelist. He wore a “WTF? 1971” T shirt, which was the perfect prop for him to launch into an articulate explanation of money as it relates to the “Nixon Shock.” I am a little hard of hearing, so when he introduced himself I missed some of it. I said “I’m sorry, what did you say your name was?” Without skipping a beat he smirked and said “nice try, fed.” It warmed my heart.
Peg from Rockaway, a retired New York City public school teacher, was wearing a New York Bitcoin T shirt and orange sneakers. She first discovered bitcoin when her son was buying drugs off of Silk Road. She often led the conversation and showed herself to be a personable, natural advocate.
Other highlights:
  • During a discussion about money, a wampum bracelet was passed around the room.
  • Simon gave a brief proof of work speech using the preparation of a deli sandwich as an example.
  • Simon regaled us with a cautionary tale about mining. A few years back he and his partners set up an operation in an impoverished Pennsylvania town with cheap electricity. Although they were successful, they also managed to cause a fire that burned down their facility and knocked out the town’s electric service.
  • A couple drove in from Queens. The woman had connections to Kazakhstan and China. She discovered bitcoin through miners who wanted her to set up an operation in Kazakhstan. Her fiance was a New York firmware engineer.
  • There was a couple who owned a local cigar factory. They were no coiners who passed out cigars to promote their business. I tried to convince them to accept bitcoin. I’ll keep you posted on any orange pilling success.

My observations

I really enjoy these in person meetups. A few of the newbies were dabbling in shitcoins, as many of us have in the past. It’s less comfortable giving someone a brusk “shitcoiner” dismissal in person than on a computer screen, so you rely on really explaining why bitcoin is different. I believe those conversations were almost as valuable to me as to the soon to be ex-shitcoiner.
I also discovered that not everyone shares my desire to actually spend bitcoin. I started out spouting about a circular economy, but it quickly became evident that just about everyone thought I was nuts to want to part with my precious bitcoin. I detected this same sense during my few visits to PubKey. No one changed my opinion, but it was good to get a different point of view.

Conclusion

I encourage everyone to find a local meetup. It’s fun, and you might just learn a few things you won’t find on Stacker News. With the excitement being generated by this bull market, they seem to be popping up everywhere.
For anyone in the New York area, I would highly recommend attending the next meetup at the Melville Deli. Here is the contact information:
The Melville Deli 90 Broadhollow Road Melville, New York 11747 (631) 351-9338 https://melvilledeli.org/
216 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 20 May
Real life bitcoiners are the best! Gonna have to check out the Melville next time I'm on long island. Great write up!
When the only way people get bitcoin is buying it with fiat, spending bitcoin feels foolish. Once they have a chance to earn a few sats, spending feels like a more reasonable option. A couple days on SN, earning sats can quickly changes feelings about spending (at least a little). Yet another reason I love SN.
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Yes! I think you're right. SN might be the linchpin.
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How do you think about the opsec part of it? I really struggle with this aspect. It would be nice, in so many ways, to bring some of real life to btc stuff. But then we have people taking such great care to not reveal a single detail about themselves, going so far as to delete every utterance, no matter how trivial.
Both parts of the spectrum make sense at different times, but I'd be curious to hear about your journey on this one.
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I struggle with this so much. I find it very difficult to use a nym to someone in person. I described in the Saloon over the weekend how when I was sitting next to Peter McCormack at the bar at PubKey I introduced myself with my real name, then caught myself mid sentence. Peter said "Hah, you doxxed yourself!" Well, I did the same thing Friday night. It seems like ridiculous dishonesty when meeting someone in person.
I know the risks. @nemo was a good one to talk to about this stuff. I also believe I'm not doing anything wrong, and that bitcoin will make the world a better place, so why should I be the one hiding?
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I think @nemo was in a place with clear and present danger that might stem from having it known that you own btc, so I can at least understand how that would influence your attitude. But we're in the States, where that's not true; and there's a more foundational dissonance: either btc is for real, in which case everybody will own it and use it and all this secrecy is stupid, it would be like keeping the "secret" that you eat food and drink water; or else btc is a farce, in which case the problem will shortly take care of itself.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 20 May
I definitely don't know who you are but I'm glad you're watching over us
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I know. I can't help myself. I can never say you didn't warn me.
I am with you on this and frequently in conflict with myself. I’m happy on here but the idea of meeting local bitcoiners (beyond the merchant I buy lunch from) fills me with dread. For security as well as other privacy issues.
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Thinking about hanging around the periphery when the conference hits Nashville.
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I will seriously follow this path in this part of our world. I'm making some meetups in person here and there and have found some success in that. My recent inclusions are @BitcoinAbhi, @IamSINGLE @Athena are learning about Bitcoin at a great speed.
I love in person meet ups and I wish you all the success with yours.
Edit: I know you will definitely be successful in our collective dream, a Bitcoin world.
Also, I will need your experiences to replicate with my meet ups, so please keep posting about them more and more.
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You are ahead of me bringing people in. I think you should tell us how you do it. You seem like a natural.
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Seriously! It's so sweet of you.
First of all, I want to make it clear to all those who are reading this that @siggy47 is the most modest person, I've ever talked. He is who I actually follow as my Guru or my guide on SN and for Bitcoin learnings. But he is so humble that he has paid back my fondness of him with his fondness of me in some way.
Now to answer your question, I think it's just that I'm a bit more talkative about what I love to do and what I love to be. Also, I never stop my chirpings if these are to educate someone about Bitcoin.
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Thanks, but I'm a disguised arrogant blowhard.
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I'm the same now as I said I follow you. ..😜
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Thanks for the mention here. Yes, I'm learning and I think I need to speed up to catch with you guys.
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Thanks for the write-up -- was hoping we'd get a full one after your posts in the Saloon.
And I think it's good to be aware of/reminded that there not all Bitcoiners are interested in circular economies. We can (and do) have our opinions about some of the other attitudes, but sticking our heads in the sand and pretending the hodlers/store-of-value folks aren't out there and significant doesn't accomplish much.
But you left out the important thing: Did you take him up on his offer of providing steak?
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Simon regaled us with a cautionary tale about mining. A few years back he and his partners set up an operation in an impoverished Pennsylvania town with cheap electricity. Although they were successful, they also managed to cause a fire that burned down their facility and knocked out the town’s electric service.
Holy crap! That's definitely a story I'd love to hear him tell in person at some point.
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Thanks. I did not. I felt guilty enough with all the free beer and deli food.
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It’s fun, and you might just learn a few things you won’t find on Stacker News.
I doubt there's anything you can learn that isn't in SN 😂
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I encourage everyone to find a local meetup. It’s fun, and you might just learn a few things you won’t find on Stacker News. With the excitement being generated by this bull market, they seem to be popping up everywhere.
I will try to find local meetup in India and will attend it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Nice! I've not done one, yet.
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Feels so good to zap you 500 sats. I have so many questions though, pls bear with me:
  • what’s the purpose of the wampum bracelet?
  • As a teacher, I’m interested in the analogy of the deli sandwich. I mean, we use the sandwich in English teaching to teach paragraph development or give someone constructive criticism in between positive feedback. How is the sandwich related to POW?
  • what do these ex-miners think about the future of mining?
  • how come you never shared about your use of The Bitcoin Company?
  • are these Bitcoiners traders or investors? (Not that it’s wrong to sell Bitcoin at the top, in my opinion)
You don’t have to answer all questions, if at all! I just wanted to let you know how engaging your article was ;)
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Thanks for the sats! I hope Simon jumps in about most of your questions. He can explain it better. But, I DID talk about The Bitcoin Company at the meetup. I explained that by buying my Dunkin Donuts morning coffee with a bitcoin gift card over the past year and a half my coffee got cheaper, while everyone else's got more expensive.
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You know, I've usually used bitcoin to buy grocery gift cards at TBC/Bitrefill that I spend quickly, so there's likely not a huge savings. But I may switch to using it for my Starbucks or a streaming service, where I'd be spending over time and making them cheaper.
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Great write up and sounds like a good get together.
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Thanks. Yeah, it was fun. I'm looking forward to going back.
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Do tou think you could convince Simon to post a LN address? I’m sure a few Saloon Stackers who can’t attend would donate a few sats.
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Maybe. He's on SN and I tagged him, so he'll likely see the post.
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That also means he has an LN address here!
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Great idea! I do meet ups for some awareness cause for women here and I feel nothing can replace this method when it comes to get real results. Best wishes for your future meet ups.
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Thanks, and a belated welcome to Stacker News!
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Thank you so much! I've read your articles and they are full of learning.
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Great recap. Sounds like a fun night.
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It was.
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This sounds interesting, I have never actually went to a meet. Hopefully next time someone doesnt bring a wrench.... I think that has always been my fear of meeting people I dont know.
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Everybody had a wrench
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I just have that underlying feeling that someone would pull one out at a meetup. Whenever I think of bitcoiners, I dont think of muscle-y dudes.
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$5 wrench attack is now $40. Inflation
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You at least wore a guy fawkes mask, right?
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Of course, but it kind of lost its impact since I had to wear my glasses over it.