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I was thinking.... Is it better to keep an older car longer, or is it better to get a new car because it is more efficient? Personally, l drive a 1992 mazda protege. I know, piece of crap, but l have never found any faults with it. Plus it has a manual transmission, l can leave the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition and no one will steal it. But l have seen many of my coworkers upgrade their cars. And they are always telling me to upgrade. Lol Do you think it is better for the earth in general, or do you think they kind of just cancel each other out?
You've asked it to the right people at the right place. Here, on SN noone is gonna say that you buy a new one.
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Haha There are cases to buy a new car. My car has treated me pretty well, I have had it for 11 years. I have only put on 55k on it.
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55k isn't a small amount. I suppose you could have bought two new cars in this amount. I exactly don't know. Not aware about car prices in US. Just calculated price based on India's car market. We can buy at least 4 mid size SUVs or Sedans in this price.
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55k mile, not price. I bought the car way back 11 years ago for 2k. Im sure I have put over that much in maintenance.
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No car is the best. But not everyone can do it for many valid reasons.
If your car doesn't have any major problems and fits your needs, you should keep it.
To be "better for the earth", you should only use it when necessary. If you can walk or bike to a nearby destination, leave the car at home.
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You are right. The major thing is that I am able to work on it myself.
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Even better
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Just takes a bit of time. At least it has a manual that l can use to figure things out on.
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68 sats \ 2 replies \ @quark 29 May
New cars are like spyware machines Old cars without internet and spyware and without subscriptions features could become very rare and expensive demanded things ;)
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I have heard the new cars from China seem to have spyware on them. Having wifi inside a car is kind of a new concept, but I am sure that is used to track your location.
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It's (almost?) all cars made in the last 10 years honestly. They often come with satellite receivers and allow for over-the-air updates to their software. They all allow for remote connection of one form or another and typically have far less-than-ideal security to support it. Here's one article about how the manufacturers are selling your data [1].

  1. https://archive.is/0wqhh - (NYT) "Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies"
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41 sats \ 1 reply \ @Kontext 29 May
Old, 100%. What @TNStacker said ;) Also, who gives a crap what your coworkers say lol
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I dont really care what my coworkers say. I know they are locked into paying for their new cars.
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The older the better. Cars with no electronic components are the best for those truly privacy-minded.
Some day I'd like to get an old truck and replace everything on it with custom made stainless steel parts that will last for ages. Still trying to escape rent slavery, for now, though.
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I feel the same. My father wants me to get an even older car to restore so that he feels more safe.
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Dream car:
  • modern engines
  • old exterior & aesthetic
  • modern sound system & media console
  • old driving, no internet connection or dinky electronics access to the control of the car
  • modern seating comfort
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This seems like a 90s era car. I prefer a boxier shape on a car. I guess I just grew up with that style.
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Kind of but engines are a lot better than 90s now, sound systems are better, the seats are more comfortable, the steering feel is better etc etc
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Sound systems can be change, seats can be bought. I think I will be buying a new seat for mine soon, just so I can have a bit more support. The steering for my car is right on. Small cars are like that. Upgrading an engine can be a hassle because of the ECU.
I thought you should keep this old car because if it has no problems, why would you want to replace it at someone's request. Or if you find happiness in yourself, then you can replace it
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I just enjoy being able to drive it. No assist or anything.
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Yeah, keep it. Why upgrade? Maybe if your situation allows for a full EV it would make a difference. But on the other hand you have a easy and cheap car to maintain and no surveillance tech built in. Don't give a shit what your coworkers think ;) stay humble and stack sats!
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My car looks very similar to this. Mine is a DX, so it doesnt have any luxury tech in it. I do the maintenance myself, it really helps.
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Keep it!
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I plan to keep it as long as l can.
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New cars are expensive maintenance contracts. Don't fall for it!
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I do all the maintenance myself. I have changed everything at least once! haha
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Keep your car as long as it is running well and safe. If it becomes a money pit needing persistent repairs as many old cars do then buy yourself a used car you can afford.
It's nice to have a nice car and for maybe a week it makes you feel good about yourself then it's just a car. When I thought I was important I had mercedes and BMWs but now that I know I am a pleb like everyone else our family has one car. A 2019 Nissan Rogue.
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It has been reliable so far. I actually drove it across the US a couple months ago. Midwest to the east coast.
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Wow that's great.
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Yeah, it runs very reliably. I hope I can make it last to 300k!
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I love old cars. They are so simple and reliable
This was my 1973 beetle. Just sold it :(
Now I'm driving a 2008 Ford Fiesta. Reliable but not that simple... but it's cheap
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Ford Fiesta was used in some ralley sports, right? I remember a coworker telling me that they made a special edition that had a manual transmission. Older cars a many times more simple to use and operate. I love the beetle, and if you put a porsche engine in it....:D
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I live in Brazil so most cars here are still manual :)
Ford Fiesta was used in some ralley sports, right?
Hmm I never heard about that but I'll check
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That is good. Many people dont know how to drive one now. At least the younger generation. I always tend to leave my keys in the ignition because I know they wont take it.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @felipe 29 May
That is good.
Yeah, I prefer manual. Off course it's less comfortable but maintenance is cheaper
I always tend to leave my keys in the ignition because I know they wont take it.
😂😂😂
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I never have to worry about looking for my keys.
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The Focus, Fiesta & Escort have all been rally cars:
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There are some special editions that you can buy. I know they are supposed to be fun to drive.
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My friend had 70th Soviet car. Your car isn't old compare to it
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1992 Japanese car even vs 1992 Russian car will be completely different league, 1992 Russian car will be Western 1970s car tech with some upgrades.
P.S. I learned to drive as a kid on Lada 1600 (VAZ 2106).
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Xactly. Design and tech have been stolen. However most of people in post Soviet countries started driver career on VAZ and later got theirs Renault, Audi, Nissan, etc
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Not always stolen, original Lada was officially licensed Fiat 124. But it's funny that basically 1967 European car of the year with some upgrades was one of the coolest things average person could drive at the end of the 1980s.
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Wow, it's a fun fact for me. I thought it was impossible during cold war
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Fiat licensed it's tech for both USSR (Lada) and Poland (Polski Fiat). It was part of the business model for Fiat back then.
But that's not the only example. Pepsi and Coke were also produced in Soviet Union by licence, for example.
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I heard that Soviet Union produced "Baikal" as analog of Pepsi
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Both Pepsi and Coke at one moment were produced in "Veldze" factory in Riga, not far from where I lived back then. AFAIK, only factory ever that has simultaneously bottled both Pepsi and Coke at the same time. And they actually continued to produce Pepsi till some mid-1990s.
With Pepsi there was a deal - USSR gets Pepsi, Pepsi get rights to Stolichnaya vodka in the West.
As they say, "Good artist copy, Great artist steal."
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There is nothing wrong with starting your driving career with an old car. I remember taking my drivers test in my car, the instructor was surprised I was testing in a manual transmission car!
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I remember taking my drivers test in my car, the instructor was surprised I was testing in a manual transmission car!
In Latvia you can't do exam in your car, need to use provided ones. But mostly people do that with manual, otherwise your driver's licence will not allow to legally drive manual transmission cars.
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In the USA, many people use an automatic for the drivers test so it is easier to pass.
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Yes, because some 90% of cars in USA have automatic transmission. It's different in Europe, people mostly prefer manual transmission, especially for older cars.
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Older cars have manual transmissions. Newer cars have auto transmissions for the most part.
Main reason is price. These cars are around $250. If you add couple hundreds it'll be in "great"condition
People are poor that's why these cars are still on the roads
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Actually, the price isnt what bothers me. The fact that I drive my old car, and am able to keep it on the road gives me a sense of pride. Other people talk about taking their vehicle to the shop lol
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These cars are around $250.
Ehh... In Latvia no car that has passed vehicle inspection and still has at least month left to legally drive will cost below 500 EUR.
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Vehicle inspection has been abolished, and cars shouldn't be in perfect condition. If affects prices
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Where were they abolished? Im not a fan of them, but its important to have a safe car on the highway. Or you could cause accidents to others.
It depends on the state in the USA. Some places have vehicle inspections and others dont. Usually when you get your tabs they check the basics.
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My car is very reliable. It is starting to rust, though.
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Every old car will start to rust, especially if there are winters and salt is used against snow and ice on roads. Requires maintenance. If you don't do anything against rust, in a few years only option will be to sell it for scrap metal.
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That is true, but you cant prevent rust on an old Japanese car. They just werent painted as well as other cars of that era.
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There are some chemicals you can use to slow down rusting, in the parts of the car that aren't painted. And from time to time you just change some body parts (ok, not you literally likely, unless you are welder by the profession).
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That is true. I think I will start getting some carbon fiber panels made. It is lighter, and wont rust. Or I could have aluminium panels made....the car has saved me a bucket load of money by now. lol
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70s Soviet cars are tanks as long as they start!
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Today it's a reason to spend weekend in garage to fix your LADA
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Haha I have another car in the garage to tinker on.
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More than one car in a family. This is mind-blowing
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Really? Its quite common here.
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Zero car per family is quite common in my country
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Your country must have better public transportation.
Currently drive 2006 Honda Accord. Not the most economical actually, but I like it. It has 2.4 litre petrol engine, so eats fuel a lot, also for old cars there are some repairs needed from time to time, for example, recently changed clutch, it cost almost 500 EUR in total (because it's Honda, could be 2x for a lot of other cars). But decent new car would cost itself a lot and then you would have problems in 3-5 years, so basically then you need to change your main car every few years.
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I have had mine for 11 years. It has done well for me.
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I prefer high mileage Toyotas. After 200,000 miles, most people don't value them. So they are cheap. And if they are cared for, they can last another 200,000 miles. I like cars that are easy for me to work on. The newest I buy are early 2000's. Newer cars are too complicated and there is much more that can go wrong. Older japanese, well cared for cars, are the best value in my opinion.
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Toyotas are built to last. The ones that were kept in a garage and managed by an old grandpa are best. Their interiors are pristine and engines always purr.
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I’m in the same boat. I have a 2015 Kia Sportage that runs well. But I am looking at a new Chevy Colorado, MotorTrend Truck of the Year, under 30k. Or maybe used 2017 bmw 2 series convertible for under 20k. A Jeep would be fun, but I heard the Wranglers can require quite a bit of maintenance.
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I already have a bmw convertible, I have scratched that itch. I will tell you it isnt as much fun as the movies make it. Especially during winter.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @BTCFC 29 May
I've been driving a Mazda for as long I can remember, to me they're very reliable and such smooth rides.
The manual transmission thing is so true. My European buddy said exactly what you stated. He said, "If you don't want your car to be stolen in America, just buy a manual, because no one there knows how to drive stick!"
If your car is still getting you where you need to be safe and reliably, no need to upgrade, IMO.
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I really like owning a mazda. Im a fan of their transmissions, they shift well and are very robust. My whole family likes toyotas, which also are very reliable. Lately getting stuck in traffic makes my car warm, I will probably have to backflush the radiator and put new coolant in it. Its been more than 5 years since I have done that!
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It depends how much it cost to maintain to old car vs getting a new one !
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That is true. I know it is a lot cheaper than a car payment. At least in my case!
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @BononXD 29 May
Hello, I assume that it is better to have an older car, over time the engines are made to be "ecological" (and producers save money) and these cars are more likely to fail due to the fact that I am from Poland, which is quite a poor country where my first car is an Audi A3 2.0 tdi 2004 and I complain about its imperfections, such as a broken dual mass, rotting, fear of God, but for my routes, i.e. 2x a week, 40 km of continuous driving + 1 route a month of 250 km in one day, it is enough for me. My dad tells me that there is no point in repairing it and all that, but I feel that my grandfather gave me this car and bought it in 2009 and when his car broke down, I remember my mother taking me to the orthodontist in it and as long as I have a modest budget at the moment PLN 20k in savings, or about $5k , and in a year I would like to start studying where the cost of living is extremely expensive. PLN 5.5k was saved per month, but if I had the opportunity, I would repair the car at every step.
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I had a very close friend from Poland! Diesel engines last forever as long as you keep clean oil in them. I am a mechanic, I have always thought diesels are very good. Just not a fan of the people boosting them and rolling coal.
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Old cars don't have spyware. I'd genuinely be interested in a new car that doesn't have "features" that probably spy on users.
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If they could make a new car without all the features, I would be willing to buy it. I really liked the Yaris GR...the one from the rally team. But they were made in Japan and never made it here to the USA.
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Would pick an older model any day. I love the designs far better than the crap these days! they were built better & so much easier to work on as well!
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Yeah, me too. The electronics are 100x easier to understand, and being able to access everything is nice.
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I have a 94 Toyota, manual with more than a quarter million miles. At this point I've repaired/replaced nearly all the major parts... Most recently I spent 3k on a transmission rebuild.
The normies seem to get off on harshing my truck, but it's never let me down. Insurance is low, there's no loan on it, and if I wanted to sell it today I know that I could get a fair price.
I get around 15mpg and drive about 9,000/year. If I got another vehicle, it wouldn't be for "efficiency" it would be for luxury and comfort and maybe a Bluetooth stereo connection. I also wouldn't get rid of this truck if I had another vehicle. It sparks joy.
How long would it take me to make up for the joules of energy input to a new car?
Would I retain a greater amount of money over that time if I had a new car price + insurance + maintenance? Almost certainly not.
If something on my vehicle breaks, there are junk yards all over the country to source parts from. It's simple machine that I can fix if I need to, and most mechanic shops are happy to see it.
If my cash flow increased dramatically, I might lease a fast German luxury car.
I plan to never pay to own something that can be shut off remotely.
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I feel the same way. I actually enjoy driving my car. Rowing through the gears makes me concentrate on the engine and the road. I feel many times more connected.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 29 May
I’m happy with a 2010 Toyota. Somethings need to be replaced every now and then, but Toyota parts seem to be easy to come by.
Am visiting China at the moment and our friends electric car (aion) was about 18k USD bought a few years ago. It costs her about $10 to charge a month!
It felt pretty cheap so I’m not sure how long it will last. But those costs over a 10 year period makes me start to rethink electric cars. Where I live in Australia it might not be worth while as it’s long distances between towns so that would be something I’d need to look into more.
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Getting a new car means so many things. I think that is why I havent even considered it. I dont want to deal with the headache. I will kick that can down the road for as long as I can.
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Don't enter into the competition of who has the better car....
If your old car, still works fine. I'll keept it.
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It works fine for now, it is just aging. I know eventually I will have to replace it and get something newer.
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There's no right or wrong answers, really depends on how often and how much you drive.
Toyota hybrid is easy to maintain, with huge fuel saving and a fairly good second hand market value.
One of the ways the rich get richer, isn't that they spend less, but they spend more on things that help them cut down on cost over the years.
I got one of the most energy efficient fridge in the consumer market, the savings over a year already pays for the premium.
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I actually enjoy driving my car. I have driven many newer cars, my friend always think they are "treating" me by letting me drive theirs. I always feel their cars are souless.
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Obviously not. You don’t want to land yourself in a situation where you feel compelled to withdraw your SN sats to make your car instalment payments 😝
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When I was in Taiwan, I put this car into storage. Too sentimental, I couldnt part with it. I didnt drive at all in Taiwan!
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Storage
Could you elaborate just a bit? Was that just a rented garage, or something different? How'd you find it?
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I put it in a storage unit for about 48 months. 200$ each month...you can do the math. It is my first car lol I got it when I was in college.
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I’ve got a 2001 VW caravelle which I love . And I’ve heard too many horror stories about new cars particularly electric that are an expensive nightmare to service and maintain and keep going wrong. I’d only upgrade to something similar like a T5 caravelle.
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Yes, thank god I have never had any electrical problems. My radio did go out, I have to figure out why. Maybe it is just a fuse?
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