Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine? \ stacker news ~earth

1506 sats \ 73 comments \ @kepford 3 Jul earth

I'm far from an expert but I'm just kinda curious what people think. I have my own thoughts but I'm more curious what other people think. Not looking for justifications just what you think. Not looking to start arguments. I pray for peace for both the Ukrainian and Russian people.

Because it was a part of the U.S.S.R4.7%

Because they fear NATO Expansion55.8%

Putin wants to rebuild the U.S.S.R14.0%

To defend Russians living in the Ukraine4.7%

Other in comments11.6%

Don't know but I wish the war would end9.3%

43 votes \ poll ended

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503 sats \ 10 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Jul

It's all a globalist game. all wars are banksters wars.

117 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

Honestly, this is the TLDR on most global conflict. It doesn't explain HOW wars are started and promoted but be sure that those that profit most have the most to lose from peace. Following the money is always a good lens to use.

72 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Jul

That's why people should not take sides, should not participate in these games, should not fund them, should not support them. Live your life in peace and FUCK'EM'ALL.

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

Regardless of where you are from most of us have no conflict with people we have never seen. Almost all of the time there are criminals that want to get us to hate people we have never seen. These people are being manipulated to do the same. In most cases plebs on both sides are being lied to and deceived. The plebs on the other side are being demonized to justify killing them.

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

I'm on the side of the plebs. War is the health of the state so of course it will always be looking for conflict.

40 sats \ 5 replies \ @anon 3 Jul

Globalists want less wars because they are pro open borders. That's LITERALLY what the word means, like it's already in the word itself.

You can't just slap <People I don't like> on every <thing I don't like> like whatever. That's such an 80-IQ way of thinking

117 sats \ 3 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Globalists like the WEF and the Club of Rome alike are Malthusians and on top of their agenda is depopulation so they will always push for more wars. Less people on the planet and it makes a few people very rich, that is what the war racket is all about and it is a well tested recipe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 3 Jul

lol you're completely delulu. Try sniffing your own farts less

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

How to allocate resources? Depopulation

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

There has been much more resources discovered than any of these groups had predicted in the 1950-60s, more people means more brains to solve problems no need for a planned population number, those policies tend to backfire (e.g., one-child policy in China)

117 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

How do you suppose globalists plan to open those borders? With tanks and shit.

One-world government doesn't mean a peaceful utopia, it means crushing all resistance and the extermination of sovereignty both on the individual and cultural (national) level... You ignorant muppet

236 sats \ 1 reply \ @cristaiji 3 Jul

They have been under tremendous pressure from the west - for example NATO.

In 2014 it became clear that the CIA and US state department- Victoria Nuland etc ousted Yanukovich and installed their own puppet government furthering the threat to Russia.

That’s some background context but people should draw their own conclusions as to whether Russia should have responded in the way that they have.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

💯🏦🥃☎️

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 12 Nov

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 12 Nov

Jeffrey Sachs tells the cold, hard truth how the US and NATO provoked war in Ukraine in 4 minutes

Neocons have been behind US foreign policy most of my life. Their hands are covered in blood and they drape themselves in the flag. These people hate Trump because he's not one of them. He doesn't like them. He's a big ape that is gonna mess it all up. This empire they have built. And you, the public are to stupid to understand it if they explained it to you so they just wave the flag and say we are the good guys.

Thanks for sharing this @Bell_curve. I haven't watched it yet but at this point I'm pretty convinced these neocons wanted this war in Ukraine and should be held responsible for their crimes.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nitter 12 Nov bot

https://xcancel.com/dbenner83/status/1856128234334626030

95 sats \ 3 replies \ @BitSapien 3 Jul

I read somewhere it was because NATO was planning to install nukes along the Ukraine/Russia border ?

19 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

But what do you think? You can vote. No need to reply. Or do neither.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitSapien 3 Jul

I would go with Putin's fear of NATO expansion.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Yes to installing nuclear missiles

116 sats \ 4 replies \ @creativityisoverrated 3 Jul

I live in Europe and I hear propaganda on every side. Putin is a war criminal and NATO expanded its influence recklessly. No one is on the right side. Ucraine when got its independence signed a deal with Russia to not joining NATO in exchange of territorial integrity. You know what happened after a few decades.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

1994 Budapest memorandum?

19 sats \ 2 replies \ @creativityisoverrated 3 Jul

Exactly!

27 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 3 Jul

well "akshully" :-) That agreement was mainly about nukes and NOT joining NATO. Non aggression pact was also reaffirmed in 1997 by Treaty of Friendship but after Yanukovich was gone and power vacuum "invited" Russian to take the advantage (2014 invasion of Crimea) Bottom line is you are right, there is enough blame to go around on both sides. We all know that after Soviet Union collapsed, new Russia would not be happy with its outcome no matter how they call themselves. The beef was going around for decades and hard to pin point one thing that caused the recent conflict. It's wrong regardless... Can we just all get along...??? :-)

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

2 years of stalemate, time for a ceasefire

Zelensky doesn't want a ceasefire because a ceasefire is a pay cut for him

median age for Ukraine soldiers is 42 years , insanity

95 sats \ 10 replies \ @398ja 3 Jul

Some people believe that Nato eastward expansion as the direct cause of the war is just "Putin's propaganda." They compare Putin to Hitler, arguing that appeasement is not warranted, and this is how they justify the endless war...

38 sats \ 2 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Every time they say propaganda, you can be very sure they are lying especially when it comes to Russia (e.g., Russia election collusion fabrication...). When Russia says "Niet" to NATO extension to Georgia and Ukraine, you know it cannot end well. This was 2008 or 2009 and part of revelations from wikileaks, instead of locking-up Julian Assange they should read what it said. Russia has not prepared its economy for a full war like Nazi Germany did in the 30s and Putin is not that stupid. It is a regional conflict that can be easily resolved if people sit on a table (which Russia and Ukraine did in Istanbul in March 2022 but that Biden and Johnson manage to sabotage), maybe it will happen again when the US have a president knowing where he is

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @398ja 3 Jul

It was not Biden or "flip flop" Johnson that sabotaged the peace deal, but their puppet masters. Ah ah... 😅 Joke by side i truly believe that.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Right my understanding was that Biden called Johnson and had him go to Istanbul to "talk to" (i.e., bribe) Zelinski, keeping Ukraine in the war and make himself rich. Then, Macron took over Johnson as master NATO lapdog because Ukrainian blood is not enough. There was even a Napoleon movie released in 2023 (i.e., 40000 out of 600000 men it back, army completely decimated) but apparently a Russian front is a good idea to some

40 sats \ 6 replies \ @032d74705c 3 Jul

Hopefully you are not one of the "some people". Let's think about the country who was involved in nearly every war in the last 20 years. And every war was build on lies. People who are still believing the official story are just lost.

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @398ja 3 Jul

"Putin's propaganda" is also very effective propaganda.

You are not allowed, as an independent observer, to view the situation from the other side's perspective, exercise critical thinking, and draw your own conclusions.

You owe allegiance to the State media only, and have to accept everything they say as the Gospel...

22 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

So it’s like corporate media in America

Gaslighting with natural gas and Nord stream 2

74 sats \ 0 replies \ @398ja 3 Jul

They're all the same...

47 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Lies every time since the Korean war and all the wars were lost, in what world is it possible that a country engaged in 80 years of wars and losing all of them is still a superpower? Well they don't defend their borders the racket and the blood versed happen overseas

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Russia 🇷🇺 has only opposed NATO expansion since 1993

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

In American's mind the cold war never ended. The US has broken every single promise they did to the USRR, they want war, they want to push Russia to a breaking point we are sleepwalking to a new Cuban missile crisis, well maybe at that time they'll start talking

94 sats \ 1 reply \ @pepe78 3 Jul

because America doesn't want German and Russia to help each other, they are too strong together. German Industry and Russian Gas

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

On point, America wants the Europe divided and cutting the cheap Russian gas flowing West is part of the plan (remember the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage promised by Biden? well it happened). Combined with green hysteria, the EU and especially Germany is deindustrializing, well done. FYI EU, the US are not your friend

84 sats \ 5 replies \ @melvincarvalho 3 Jul

Churchill called WW2 "The Unnecessary War". This one was likely unnecessary too. However, Russia viewed the conflict as inevitable (partly after speaking to FM Truss) and, that being the case, felt it advantageous to strike first, rather than, strike last. There had been a build up of troops on both sides, and a large escalation in shelling. That said, in any situation the public can only really know at most 80%. There's always a 20% of motivation that is hidden. Possible energy deposits in the black sea and so on ...

100 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

WW1 was also unnecessary especially for the British and Americans

America entered the war in 1917 to make the world 'safe for democracy'... whatever the hell that means

If Britain stayed out or reached a ceasefire in 1916, Germany would have accepted. France would have lost some territory including Alsace Lorraine.

If all parties agreed to a ceasefire in 1916 or before the October Revolution would have failed.

Austria Hungary would have created a federation consisting of Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Poland, Czech and Slovakia

Ottoman Empire was already a sick empire. Let them deal with Arab grievances and demand for sovereignty.

No Sykes Picot agreement, no Balfour Declaration, no Israel lobby in America, etc

17 sats \ 3 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

If WWII was unnecessary it was still inevitable because of the Versailles treaty aiming at crushing Germany until the end of times. WWI was even more unnecessary as its catalyst was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, honestly who cares? But warmongers like those we have today jumped on the proxy war game and escalation train, they anticipated a few weeks of conflict but ended after four years of bloodbath in trenches, they had no idea what fiat money could accomplish

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Mistakes were made during the 1930s.

Rhineland was a missed opportunity because France had the military edge and Hitler would have been humiliated and forced to resign as Chancellor.

Munich 1938 was a mistake but not because of appeasement: giving Hitler territory, Sudetenland, changed the balance of power from Britain and France to Germany, the path to ruin.

https://www.amazon.com/Change-European-Balance-Power-1938-1939/dp/0691101612

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @melvincarvalho 3 Jul

More the case that France and Britain teamed up behind Hitler. Czech could have beaten Germany, but was not able to fight all three. You may enjoy reading Carroll Quigley on this topic. What we are taught in school veers from the truth. Hence Churchill calling it the "unnecessary" war. He was very careful with words. It actually could not have happened without the intervention of the Conservative government, which is what infuriated Churchill so much. But after 190 years, that government will come to and today.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Chamberlain screwed and abandoned Czech

73 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 4 Jul

There can no other explanation. Russia hates NATO and any other such organisations so much that it won't allow them to sit anywhere close to its boundaries.

73 sats \ 6 replies \ @TNStacker 3 Jul

Wars are always about resources. Russia wants Ukrainian resources, including human on their side and not NATO. Had the Russian supporter candidate beaten Zelenski, there would have been no need for armed conflict. They could have continued like they are in Georgia.

63 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Countries go to war due to fear, honor or interest

Thucydides

Fear of NATO expansion Russian power and prestige Oil fields Buffer zone and a neutral Ukraine

38 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

This is the realist view of foreign relations and it seems to be the way Putin and Trump view foreign relations. In my opinion when people ignore this lens when view conflict they are missing a huge obvious angle. In order to understand conflict and relations I think one should know how to use multiple lens. Then you begin to understand the many sides in a much more detailed light.

38 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

In contrast, most US presidents have the liberal view (this is not liberal v conservative) of relations. Its an ideological view focused on promoting the ideals of democracy. The idea they push is that if they can spread democracy and free trade we can eliminate war.

In practice this view hasn't actually panned out so well. Take a look at the middle east for example. It sounds good and knowing how this lens works is useful to understand how a ruler coming from a realist view would conflict with one holding a liberal view.

This is basically how most people don't understand conflicts like the one between Russia and Ukraine. Russia is realist and Ukraine or NATO is coming from an idealistic liberal point of view.

If one understands that Putin is looking at the "practical" and you look at a map of NATO nations you can better understand the conflict.

The world is not as simple as the media and the rulers of the world would have you believe. It is full of bad guys and few if no good guys. NATO might be pitching the liberal world order but that doesn't mean there aren't wealthy bankers, arms dealers, and elites that see the world through the realist lens. Follow the money. Always.

72 sats \ 2 replies \ @TNStacker 3 Jul

This US/NATO liberal view sure takes a lot of bullying military power.

38 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 3 Jul

Indeed. Honestly, I think few those that espouse this view actually believe it. Or they are useful idiots manipulated by the power elite.

76 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

The sinews of war is money

75 sats \ 1 reply \ @032d74705c 3 Jul

The war started in 2014. And it was provoked by the West, better said by the US. With wars, a lot of money can be washed, which Julien Assange has said about the Afghanistan war a long time ago. When you see how many weapons are delivered to Ukraine, you will quickly see that the West has great interest in this war.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Maidan color revolution

I say coup

Potato 🥔 tomato 🍅

53 sats \ 8 replies \ @tomlaies 3 Jul

Ukraine has OIL

Where is the oil in Ukraine? In the southern region around the sea. Where did Putin invade? In the southern region around the sea.

Also, I'm very sure it's an ego thing for Putin personally. Literally sick that people die for that.

38 sats \ 5 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

Russia has more oil than it can use, so that's retarded... citing perhaps egress for nat gas pipelines to europe, or the river system would at least show some grip on the logistics... no need to fabricate ones

Putin

Huffing those Atlantic Council farts really hard eh?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 4 Jul

The "Atlantic Council" as you call it is fucking awesome, we kicked the communist asses that you like to lick so much

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Who was responsible for pipeline explosion 💥?

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Sweden investigated and handed its report to the German which decided to sit on it so yes the deep state as promised by Biden. They don't even try to hide it anymore and they still call themselves allies? It was an act of war against Germany and it did nothing, what would the Germans do if they knew how much they got screwed?

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

they still call themselves allies

Who's they?

It's not clear cut as US vs Germany

The deep state that controls much of the German government is the same deep state that controls much of the US government

The US and Germany aren't enemies any more or less than US and Russia are, it's patriots vs. globalists and every country is a battlefield

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

The deep state, who else?

This means not a specific country or their respective intelligence services/navy, but globalist assets throughout the western sphere

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @zuspotirko 3 Jul

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Oil fields were a factor but not the main factor

38 sats \ 7 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

NATO/USSR is deep state media framing playing to people who know nothing of history... These have been the bloodlands for thousands of years because the geography necessitates it

von Clausewitz shit

The only question is how it ends now that weapons are too powerful for all-out war for control over the Eurasian landmass

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

NATO and Russia have a recent history.

1949 to present

17 sats \ 5 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

That's just the latest chapter in the historical novel, these things don't exist in a vacuum

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

This new special relationship between Ukraine and NATO is a new chapter

The color revolution in 2014

All these actions are provocative

Have you heard or read John Mearsheimer?

17 sats \ 3 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

Russia has been under constant invasion, NATO is not special

Swedish Invasion (Ingrian War) - 1610–1617 Polish Invasion (Polish–Muscovite War) - 1605–1618 Swedish Invasion (Great Northern War) - 1700–1721 French Invasion (Napoleon's Russian Campaign) - 1812 Crimean War - 1853–1856 (involvement of British, French, and Ottoman forces) German Invasion (World War I) - 1914–1917 Allied Intervention in the Russian Civil War - 1918–1922 (involvement of British, French, American, and Japanese forces)

John Mearsheimer

Actually caught some lectures by him recently, for the most part we're on the same page... this shit is nothing new

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Russian paranoia is justified? I believe it is especially after seeing your list

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @justin_shocknet 3 Jul

As I said before

geography necessitates it von Clausewitz shit

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 3 Jul

Geopolitical

reply on another page

18 sats \ 0 replies \ @wingalt 3 Jul

Russia has been mostly reacting to attacks or provocations over initiating them. The latest ones being the bombing of a Sevastopol beach in Crimea from Ukraine with US weapons and assistance.

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-claims-ukraine-fired-civilian-beach-what-we-know-1917003

Then, the plan to install US military bases in Finland just out of St Petersburg is madness, what are they thinking?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 4 Jul

56% of SN poll participants blames NATO expansion

I posed the question should the west continue to assist Ukraine in March #476083