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Drained SN wallet, connected with NWC for send & lightning address for receive

1145 sats \ 51 comments \ @south_korea_ln 27 Aug bitcoin

Getting timeouts when trying to set up NWC for receive (using AlbyHub), will try again later. Until then, I'll zap the first 10 people to comment here to see if send works well.

EDIT: Just noticed the little PENDING state on my post as it waits for the external wallet to pay. Went smoothly. I imagine the post gets deleted if it doesn't get paid in time?

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240 sats \ 8 replies \ @Carresan 27 Aug

I have been trying to connect both, though only managed to get the receiving part through lightning address. I have received some zaps this way already.

Struggling to find a way to send.

46 sats \ 7 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

With AlbyHub it's pretty straightforward... Let me know if you need help

100 sats \ 6 replies \ @Carresan 27 Aug

I have tried with Alby hub. When I go through the process, gives Two options a) free. Do it yourself. Tried this way and unable to set it up. Just too clumsy to make it work. b) hub. 12500 sats per month 3 months , then 21000 sats per month. Not making that amount at this moment. So I need to get better at creating content so it is worthy to pay that fee.

I have also tried Blink, but every time I log out , I need to link it again. Checked with @k00b and confirmed that this is how it is at this moment and should wait a bit longer before trying this method.

229 sats \ 3 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

I went the free AlbyHub way. Let me see if i can make a little guide with screenshots tomorrow.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Carresan 27 Aug

Ok thanks, that would be great!

46 sats \ 1 reply \ @south_korea_ln OP 28 Aug

Seems like @Alby is already helping you...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Carresan 28 Aug

Yes! Thank you!

46 sats \ 1 reply \ @Alby 27 Aug

It's nice anyway that you gave it a try!

Feel welcome at our Hub onboarding sessions where you can learn about Hub and see how it's not clumsy ;) at https://cal.com/getalby

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Carresan 27 Aug

Thanks for reaching out to me! I have already checked and booked a session! Hope this clarifies it.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I was feeling clumsy myself when trying to attach wallet and hub. I am sure your hub is great! ;)

153 sats \ 0 replies \ @thebullishbitcoiner 27 Aug

Congrats on the transition. 🤙

132 sats \ 2 replies \ @aoeu 27 Aug

I will have to get this hooked up for my own account. At the moment I just use the custodial native SN wallet. Is that going to be going away or requiring KYC anytime soon?

136 sats \ 1 reply \ @Radentor 27 Aug

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @aoeu 27 Aug

Thanks! I missed this.

43 sats \ 0 replies \ @Golu 27 Aug

I'm still worried what and how am I gonna do it!

I'm a newbie here. Also I don't understand all this technical stuff.

67 sats \ 7 replies \ @IamSINGLE 27 Aug

So, it's like we don't have the best solution. LNC has issues, now NWC is also having them.

Why don't we make SN wallet non custodial?

64 sats \ 5 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

This is the point of testing things out. It's by reporting issues that things will iron out.

Why don't we make SN wallet non custodial?

What do you mean? This is exactly what is being done here by connecting to external (custodial or non custodial wallets).

44 sats \ 4 replies \ @IamSINGLE 27 Aug

I mean SN creates a non custodial wallet of/on its own.

271 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

That's a whole project on its own :) makes more sense to let people choose their preferred non-custodial wallet that have a dedicated team to develop it

149 sats \ 1 reply \ @sidshattuck 27 Aug

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid

242 sats \ 0 replies \ @supertestnet 27 Aug

It can work like that but it's very hard. The mutiny team showed it's possible to make a self custodial LN wallet for the browser. But then they stopped because because they think it's too hard of a problem to solve at scale. So I guess their story is evidence for both things: it's technically possible but (arguably) not in a practical way

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 27 Aug

That's not a simple matter. I'm still holding out hope that @Alby will consider a custom SN solution.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 27 Aug

Yep, this architecture is completely ass backwards.... history has proven that it's unsustainable for services to depend on reach into user systems where user systems are by nature less robust forms of infrastructure.

What's worse is there's 0 rationale behind it, it's driven by speculative compliance. The embodiment of the weak men create hard times meme.

The good news is this will eventually cause the pendulum to swing back even further in the right direction.

139 sats \ 5 replies \ @Coinsreporter 27 Aug

Drained SN Wallet?

The ghosts of drained Ledger wallets came crashing to me as soon as I read these words!!

38 sats \ 4 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

My bad. I had to remove some words to fit the title to the character limits, I realize now it can sound confusing.

34 sats \ 3 replies \ @Coinsreporter 27 Aug

No problem, I just took it that way because I remembered about the ledger fiasco. I doubt, everyone remembers it till now.

32 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

Wasn't that mostly a shitcoin thing?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 27 Aug

Ledger has poor security

There was a data leak right after the drained wallet hack

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 27 Aug

Yes, it was.

But there were a few users of ledger who claimed that their Bitcoins also got drained.

140 sats \ 3 replies \ @Satosora 27 Aug

Is it working well? Is it easy to use compared to sn?

410 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

NWC send is working great. No failed payments up to now. It feels the same as using the custodial wallet, maybe with a 1-2s difference for the payment to settle. Barely noticable.

175 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 27 Aug

Same with me. I'm on my 3rd day now. I think NWC send is reliable and good to use. Likewise, lightning address has been flawless connected to my always on node. I have used it with Blixt also, and it works. The only issue is that Blixt is not always open and online. In that case the transfers are made when the wallet is opened and the channels are back online.

120 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taft 27 Aug

Same for me. I had the same problem with NWC (using AlbyHub) receiving, so I connected NWC to send and Lightning address to receive. Until the timeout bug is fixed, this is how I will do it.

195 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 27 Aug

We had problems with alby’s relay when testing receives. They confirmed the issue. I’m not sure if it’s been fixed yet

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Alby 27 Aug

On it! Let's coordinate on our teams slack?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 27 Aug

We did already!

183 sats \ 0 replies \ @cageofaquarius 27 Aug

Did I make it in time. I am practically begging right now for zaps. I never thought that Stackers are very altruistic. Let me join the fun. I have no plans of going anywhere.

132 sats \ 0 replies \ @mdominicorobin24 27 Aug

Am Iate in the game. Nah, while you are at it, please zap me even for a bit. Test your recently installed lightning wallet. So that I zap more stackers. Just kidding.

21 sats \ 6 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

As I'd like to keep my SN custodial wallet empty, I'm trying to update the desired balance for autowithdraw, I keep getting the following error:

failed to create test invoice: Unexpected token < in JSON at position 0

I tried updating it to both 0 as well as a few non-zero values, to no avail. I can create an issue on github if this is unexpected behavior...

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 27 Aug

That’s an error reading what we get back from the relay

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 27 Aug

Ok, tnx. I'm doing it for the lightning address receive case, which has always worked up to now (authowithdraw worked as usual 54 minutes ago). But I guess it's because I'm trying to update the settings.

I'll try again next time, hoping things are resolved on alby's side by then.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 27 Aug

I have it set to 0 without issues

64 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 28 Aug

I managed to update it by using a non-alby Lightning address. However, when setting zero, it'll actually only withdraw starting from 11 sats, see this screenshot. Is it the same for you? It's kind of an edge case, but might be an important to fully remove custodial service from SN's part. I'll create an issue once you confirm.

https://m.stacker.news/48549

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 28 Aug

Yes. You are correct. Mine is the same. FYI, I am using an Alby address now.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 28 Aug

I'll check

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 4 Sep

I'm wondering how it's going for you? Are you auditing to see your success rate? I'm trying to figure out a method, particularly with receiving.

64 sats \ 3 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 4 Sep

Sending works nearly all the time.

I sometimes do have to click again, but that's usually because I forgot to turn on AlbyHub. The weird thing I had this morning is that the NWC connection had disappeared on the SN interface side. And indeed, it wasn't working and was presented with the usual ln invoice instead. I had to the wallet+connect (or whatever it is called) step again.

Receiving also works nearly all the time. If once or twice, it doesn't. It'll accumulate in my SN wallet. But it'll get back to zero soon enough with the next successful autowithdraw, in less than an hour.

I don't really have a method to quantify the success rate.

If I am on my phone when zapping a post, I still have to do the send by hand by paying the invoice with any of my mobile wallets.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 4 Sep

Thanks for these details. Have you separately attached wallets for your phone? I only zap mobile. Conversely, I need to pay an invoice on my laptop, but that's because I haven't set up separate connections on it yet. At least I assume that's the reason.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 4 Sep

No, I haven't done anything on my phone. And yes, connections have to be done separately for each device. I read it somewhere, don't remember where.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln OP 4 Sep

Actually, as i was trying to post the above reply, it didn't work and had to pay an invoice. Similar to this morning, the NWC connection has been deleted on the SN side.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @dollarparity 27 Aug

I hope it works

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 27 Aug

Well it might be