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Telegram's Privacy Mirage: Why You Should Stop Using It Now www.eddieoz.com/telegrams-privacy-mirage-why-you-should-stop-using-it-now/

1756 sats \ 42 comments \ @eddieoz 23 Sep privacy

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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @Signal312 23 Sep

Are the alternatives to Telegram just so hard to use? Because so many groups (that seem like they'd want to be very privacy conscious) are on telegram.

For instance: Seedsigner - https://t.me/joinchat/GHNuc_nhNQjLPWsS Bisq - https://t.me/bisq_p2p Phoenix - https://t.me/phoenix_wallet Robosats - https://t.me/robosats

121 sats \ 1 reply \ @teemupleb 24 Sep

Probably just because of network effects.. people and Bitcoiners already have the app

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 24 Sep

Interesting.

On the Robosats Telegram group in particular, there's always talk of moving to Simplex, and there is actually a Simplex chat. But 99.9% of the dialog still happens on Telegram.

10.1k sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 24 Sep

This is just a press release for clueless normies and to have an "agreement" with french police. TG works perfectly fine behind Tor proxy or many other proxies.

here is a list, to use with telegram and your IP will not be leaked

https://t.me/proxy?server=exp.proxy.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=7tQdjNmPALIE6YAJmOz4Mi55YW5kZXguYnk

https://t.me/proxy?server=exp.proxy.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=7tQdjNmPALIE6YAJmOz4Mi50dXQuYnk

https://t.me/proxy?server=exp.proxy.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=7tQdjNmPALIE6YAJmOz4Mi53d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ

https://t.me/proxy?server=proxy.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=ddd41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e

https://t.me/proxy?server=109.239.140.1&port=80&secret=ddd41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e

https://t.me/proxy?server=109.239.140.1&port=443&secret=ddd41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e

https://t.me/proxy?server=russia-dd.proxy.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=ddd41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e

https://t.me/proxy?server=indonesia.digitalresistance.dog&port=443&secret=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @duuv 24 Sep

Very nice. I wasn't aware. What about using a vpn with Telegram?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @konstantin21 24 Sep

how exactly do we use these proxies? in telegram proxy settings (desktop) i see server port and user/pass. what proxy type (MTProto,Socks5)? what do i do with the secret?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 24 Sep

FFS just clicking on the links it is automatically set the proxy... weather is mobile or desktop client...

122 sats \ 14 replies \ @justin_shocknet 23 Sep

Telegram doesn't shill itself as a privacy product

Signal is infinitely superior to Telegram in terms of security

Shilling yet another turbonormie app store messenger is more evidence that privacy focused products spread only through virtue signaling, not substance.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @geeknik 28 Sep

Claiming these products lack substance is laughable when you consider the real-world consequences of using platforms that don’t prioritize privacy: your data is the product, your freedom the cost.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 28 Sep

They do lack substance, what's laughable is how gullible people are for anything that suggests privacy is its primary differentiator.

But I guess some paid bloggers and spooks shilling Intel honeypots could have saved those middle east pager guys, they should have just downloaded signal 🙄

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @geeknik 28 Sep

I can't get past your tragic laissez-faire nihilism.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 28 Sep

Because you're projecting it, nothing nihilistic about laughing off privacy larp

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23 Sep

Tox is a genuine decentralised alternative.

Its just not 'cool' like Telegram (was) or SimpleX (is)- ie spruiked by touts as much! most People are sheeple.

https://tox.chat/

22 sats \ 8 replies \ @justin_shocknet 23 Sep

Alternative in what sense?

I use Telegram because its simply the most performant and reliable option with a reasonable network effect. I even use it in a team setting because its so much better than slack. I don't expect any privacy.

Tox won't have that. It may be more private than Signal, but thats not saying much. It uses DHT so it's completely unscalable, and is subject to metadata leakage just like Signal and Nostr... at least Nostr has some network effect.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23 Sep

If you want network effect facebook messenger and skype might be the best for you. But if you want privacy- which is what Telegram was touted as providing, Tox can provide genuine privacy and freedom from centralised state surveillance vulnerability.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @justin_shocknet 23 Sep

Telegram doesn't position itself as a privacy product.

You also can't substantiate why tox is good on privacy vs anything else, it's another virtue signal.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23 Sep

My impression was that Telegram did position itself very much in that way and that many (Bitcoiners esp) used it upon that misapprehension.

Consult this comparison and see how and why Tox is superior for privacy on all parameters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 23 Sep

Proves my point further, it's all bullshit and so is everyone recommending something

You can't even defend tox, very lazy to give me a Wikipedia link... But I expect it because all privacy products are BS. Recommending something niche you don't understand is just another virtue signal recommendation.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23 Sep

Toxes truly decentralised nature is the key. No other chat service matches it on all the parameters provided in the wikipedia comparitive analysis. I gave you the link to the wikipedia comparison as you clearly are resistant/cynical about what I and others are saying so if you want you can consult that more neutral third party for their independent assessment which clearly shows Tox is superior for privacy. If you primarily want privacy Tox is the way to go.

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61 sats \ 2 replies \ @Akg10s33 23 Sep

From whatever point of view you see it!! it is necessary to stop using Telegram... I want to confess that all my life I only used the application that the majority uses to communicate, which is WhatsApp... and in addition to that I had a profile on Instagram and I used it mostly as a way to get some good information that I could get from the few that followed there... for some time now I have been receiving market and economic studies and our study group was on Telegram... our teacher always told us from the beginning I need to get a more secure way to communicate!! this Telegram thing is totally vulnerable... and that is how we currently use 2 different applications, the 1st called Briar for our messages and the 2nd is Simplex... there we have our new study group!! I think it is wonderful to now have true security in our data and content! and also free ourselves from Garbage applications like Telegram and many more!! that all they do is indoctrinate the masses.. and promote consumerism 1000%!! and destroys the minds of young people with rubbish until they reach the point of losing their own identity... and denying themselves by isolating themselves from their families and the world!! something that seems very sad to me!!

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 23 Sep

I think it's great that you're learning and dedicating time to studying, I must admit that I feel the same as you! For a long time I only used platforms like WhatsApp or Facebook, I even used Instagram for a long time. Today I'm cancelling all those services and focusing my attention on projects like Nostr, SimpleX, Tutamail, among others that are more focused on not collecting data and with better development towards the privacy of their users.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 24 Sep

Tox is the most secure and most decentralised tho not as fashionable as SimpleX and Nostr.

64 sats \ 2 replies \ @Leonard 23 Sep

Since I trained my pigeon I don’t worry about security or my data to get stolen by greedy corporations, 90% of internet users give they data anyway to all kind of services,and even they put all kind of personal information publicly, now they are all privacy concern 😂😂 ohh cmon

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @SpaceHodler 24 Sep

Just make sure those rolls on the pigeon's neck are GPG encrypted.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @eddieoz OP 4 Oct

that's the way!

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @03365d6a53 23 Sep

Simplex is the only good messenger app

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @MF_MOON 24 Sep

What makes Simplex better than Signal? Genuinely curious as I just want to find the most secure privacy-centric messaging app I can move to. I use Android and Windows and occasionally Mac so I want something that works on those ideally

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DEADBEEF 23 Sep

Agreed SimpleX is the only way to go.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 23 Sep

Tox is less centralised and thus more immune to censorship.

SimpleX relies upon centralised servers.

Tox does not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DEADBEEF 24 Sep

Anyone can run their own SimpleX server. How does Tox handle IP leakage since it is p2p?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 24 Sep

Can those who run their own SimpleX servers always be trusted? What is stopping state surveillance from operating/infiltrating one or multiple servers on SimpleX?

Tox is totally decentralised and you can use a VPN if you want to conceal IP- or select those you chat with as people you can trust.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @BTCLNAT 23 Sep

NOSTR

That is the solution. There is no other. The only thing left would be the bandwidth issue, which could be a problem for some countries. But there are solutions with relays, but there is no centralization, there is no censorship. If one relay blocks you, you have others. Who is the CEO, the community.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @eddieoz OP 4 Oct

Sorry, but Nostr is not privacy centric. While it is resilient against censorship, but even the gift wraps leak the destination of the message, ips, the volume of messages being received and where they are being stored.

I wrote a solution for a totally stealth protocol for nostr DMs, but it lacks a client adopting it. https://github.com/eddieoz/nostr-stealth

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 24 Sep

Tox is equally, perhaps more secure, and definitely more private.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @openyoureyes 24 Sep

So it is all about ip and mobile number. I think this is not a real problem and we have solutions for this. In times of exploding mobile devices there is a much bigger problem we have to solve.