Lots of people in the Trump camp seem convinced that the 2020 election was "stolen".
What is your opinion on this question?
What's the hardest evidence, or the most convincing evidence to you, on the topic of election fraud during the 2020 USA election?
I can distinguish 2 broad categories when thinking about this:
- Mockingbird media suppressing relevant news on the one hand, and spreading mis, dis or mal-information on the other hand, to influence voting behaviour.
- Outright fraud / falsification / meddling circumventing the way people actually voted.
The first is a form of info-war / "5th generation warfare" / psywar that might be looked at as a soft form of election interference.
The second is good old-fashioned vote rigging.
What are your opinions on either of these?
Did either happen? If so: was the impact significant or large enough to swing the election?
What makes you conclude either way?
To this day, I found the real-time vote count charts for Wisconsin and Michigan suspicious.
Basically, Biden got a huge surge overnight in both states that put him up over Trump when he was tailing significantly before that.
The MSM claims that this is because heavily democrat counties were counted, explaining the surge.
But usually if a large county is counted, you'll see surges in both candidates' counts. The bump for Trump was extremely miniscule. So either those counties were like 90+% Biden or something fishy was going on.
Moreover, if this was a common occurrence, you'd see such surges in other states' voting patterns, but you don't. You should also see such surges in the vote count charts for MI and WI in previous election cycles, which I can't rule out but I've not seen.
Trump was leading by 700k in Pennsylvania until 230 am Wednesday
What convinces me is the MSM and the left in general reaction to the Jan 6 riot. It's so over the top and disproportionate to what happened that day. They grabbed on to the "insurrection" claim so hard and still try to milk it, but it's such a weak claim it's ridiculous. Their overreaction makes it very easy to believe the whole thing was set up from the beginning to provide cover for election rigging.
I think the idea of a literal steal on election night is a red herring, to distract from the fact that the real steal happens over 4 years, every day and every hour ,via the media repeating what they want people to believe over and over.
I think he just lost and didnt want to give up being president.
Could you give a steel-manned version of what the folks "on the other side" are saying / arguing?
What are some reasons / arguments or potential evidence you've heard from people who believe the election was rigged?
Which, if any, of these arguments do you entertain as a possibility and why?
Or on the other hand, is there any strong evidence or reasoning pattern that suggests that the 2020 USA election could not have been rigged?
USA 2020 elections did not use transparent block-chain voting afaik but do you think that tamper-evidency properties of a different kind nevertheless existed in the 2020 USA election to the point that we can be quite sure that everything happened "on the up and up"? If so what are some of the most convincing or trustworthy mechanisms that may achieve the property of tamper-evidency?
Do you have a clear opinion on the matter, and if so: What are some reasons, arguments or evidence that causes you to conclude one way or the other?
All I know is that the revelations of so much nonsense came exactly at 2020 and from that point on I assume it's all an orchestrated play. A mumming play to be more specific.
But I've listen to Mark Passio, What on Earth is happening that started in 2010 and that makes me go back even further.
There's no excuse for the voting to be opaque. But the problem is that the media have been captured and lying to us about everything so even the truth cannot be trusted.
For me, both options happened. Traditional media has always been an established fourth power, and after the advent of social media, information is spread without any type of checking, influencing millions of voters. The American electoral system is very archaic and can easily be manipulated. Who really holds the power that dictates the rules of the game. Multi-billionaire people sponsoring political campaigns in exchange for what? haha
But WHEN people will realize that THE WHOLE FUCKING system is a fraud?
https://m.stacker.news/60221
https://m.stacker.news/60222
I am fucking tired of posting this warning, that seems everybody is just ignoring it!
https://i.postimg.cc/MZFBpdcQ/darth-voting.jpg
ARE YOU GUYS BEING RETARDED AND DON'T GET IT?