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Reasons for low fertility rates and the wokeism cancer

3000 sats \ 12 comments \ @Shugard 4h alter_native

Reasons for low fertility rates

The Backstory

A friend of mine (absolutely woke leftist climate change person) argued with me about my dream of having up to 4 kids.

Since my better half is pregnant (#771612) and we are excited about our new journey, I had a chat with her. She asked me if I would like to have another one. I told her I wanted more. She got really defensive. Who am I to burden my wife with this! She has to give birth 4 times? What kind of a horrible person am I, and are there not enough people on this planet already? (Oh, she's a Malthusian - no surprise there). Can't I just adopt children from poor countries?

Her argument for why the fertility rate is dropping there:

Women's empowerment! Gender equality!

Her Argument:

Since women have the power to be free and decide what they want, they do not want to be baby poop factories!

Women are free now! Men have to deal with it!

The more rights women get, the lower the birth rate.

Look at South Korea, women are free, thats why they dont want to have kids.

My Argument:

First we have to take a step back and look at history. We will use the data we have from South Korea (because its her argument), Germany (because thats where we both are from) and USA (because thats where most of the audience is from and I dont want you to drop out).

My arguments why the birth rate was higher in the past:

more children died
there was no pension system
there was no elder care system
there was no birth control

More Children died

I am using the UK as a US reference here, hate me for that.

My argument is that fewer kids are dying, so we dont need as many anymore. Once the death rate dropped, the fertility rate dropped from over 5 to 2-3.

There was no pension system As soon as we see nationwide retirement systems for all people, we see the fertility rate drop. We do not need as many children to help us with our financial support when we are old. The government will do that for us.

There was no elder care system Again, since the elderly care systems have been government-provided (Germany 1995 and South Korea 2008), the fertility rate has dropped again. We no longer need generational households. I do not need children to take care of me when I am old. I can go to a nursing home.

There was no birth control

Since the introduction of the pill in the 60s and 70s, we have seen one of the sharpest declines in fertility.

My argument for why it is so low now:

Since their argument was more freedom and more equality for women, I will prove the opposite.

South Korea has the lowest fertility rate of our three countries at only 0.7. But is it also the most gender equal?

Men do not spend nearly as much time on chores as women.

Which points to more traditional roles.

The same is true for wages and work.

South Korea falls behind.

I want to remind again that the fertility rate has been dropping for the last 100 years, not for the last 10 years of gender equality and woke madness.

So why is it that not only is the fertility rate dropping, but more and more women today do not want to have children?

The reason I give is the fiat world.

Let me explain:

The state is taking more and more responsibility away from the family. As the welfare state expands, the role of the family becomes less important. Social security in the form of pension systems, elder care systems, and others are taking away our responsibility to take care of our future.

Moreover, the state intervenes and destroys norms and culture. Religion in the form of marriage and baptism is no longer important. You do not have to get married. Women have the safety net of the state, they do not need the role of a security providing man anymore. Baptism to bring children into society is meaningless, because godfathers have no legal role anymore, because the state takes over if the parents disappear.

Education has been taken away from the parents by compulsory school systems.

The man's role in the traditional family was destroyed by the state, but the woman's role is now unfair and must be changed.

So where is the meaning?

What makes us human beings are three qualities, I would say:

having meaningful experiences that shape our future far more than instincts can.
taking responsibility for someone else beyond our own needs.
building a legacy beyond our death.

All three combined will give you the traditional family. Whenever you ask parents what their greatest memories are, they all include their children. They sacrificed more for their children than they could have imagined, and the children carry on their legacy.

Isn't that beautiful?

But what do we have today?

But today we have a society where masculinity is evil. Where women are free to whore around with birth control. We have open relationships left and right. Students who study way too long without creating any value. A society where no one wants to take responsibility, but demands everything from the other person. No commitment, no responsibility, no sacrifice.

Congratulations Wokeism!

You are not the cause of low fertility, but you are the cancer that has grown out of it!

But there is hope!

When we started that topic in school 9 out of 86 students wanted to have kids in the future. After the whole shared responsibility and roles in the family topic we did the questionnaire again. more than half want to have kids in the future now.

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31 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 4h

Fuuuuck, my guy doesn't hold back.

Congratulations Wokeism! You are not the cause of low fertility, but you are the cancer that has grown out of it

121 sats \ 1 reply \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 2h

Could it be that THEY want the population of prospective slaves a bit more diminished so they can enjoy more “living room”. Wokism is only one of the methods they are using. Look at ”Climate Change” as another example, just a method of bleeding the West of all accomplishments. THEY are working on one-world government, religion and military, too. So the vaccinators, feminists and abortionists are doing, as Be ill Gates says, “THEIR best to lower the population.” Remember, only 500 million people.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 1h

Media are doing this horrible, inside job towards 500 million people...

"Almost the entire mass culture in the world, the extensive entertainment industry, the film and music industry, social media, countless directors, actors, singers, celebrities, influencers and trendsetters work on this. They instill in subsequent generations the belief that the most important thing in the world is the "self" and satisfying its desires, desires, whims, and fancies. Career, consumption, entertainment. In this perspective, sacrifice, renunciation or offering for others make no sense. There is no sense in giving your life for another. "You only have one life, why should you give it to others?"

https://wpolityce-pl.translate.goog/spoleczenstwo/690585-pokolenie-bez-dzieci-czyli-potomstwo-jako-zagrozenie?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @freetx 1h

I have a pet theory that not having sufficient children is whats fueling the "botox-cougar" syndrome.

I think that at a deep biological level, these 47 y/o botox cougars[1] realize that they don't have enough (or likely any) children. Thus, the biological urge to "appear attractive" in order to attract a mate goes into overdrive and results in them having enough botox and plastic surgery that borders on body dysmorphism disease.

[1] - yes I realize they are past menopause, but probably doesn't matter to the part of brain that is still fueling the 'attract a mate' behaviors

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 10m

Combined with aspirations of becoming a girl boss and Karen

11 sats \ 1 reply \ @bief57 59m

So... having a large number of children = not having interest in using Botox? Or I didn't understand.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @freetx 20m

Essentially yes! (as I said, pet-theory).

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @bief57 1h

The question of whether or not to have children is controversial. If you want to have children, it's a dilemma, and if you don't, it's also a dilemma. I once had a conversation with a girl (she suffers from depression and has attempted suicide), and we got to the point where I asked her if she wanted to have children, and she said, "I don't think so. I'm scared... what if they are capable of committing suicide? Even though they don't exist yet, I don't want to bring them into this world and make them suffer."

I've had this conversation with a lot of people so I get a variety of answers. I was once told "why would I have kids?" I actually think that's a good question, having kids isn't like going to a store and buying a toy, it's a responsibility, mental, emotional, physical and financial. I think it's smart that people now have kids because they really want to and not because it's a social obligation because then it would mean that you're an "incomplete" adult, people today think about whether or not they can really carry that responsibility, some want it but can't because they don't have a solid economy, others because they're not emotionally connected to the idea, and believe me having emotional intelligence is key to having children. How many children should a family have? What the couple unanimously wants and can support emotionally, physically and financially.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @028559d218 1h

Don't take this the wrong way... (and I read your whole post)

Could it possibly be that in fact your spouse is just cautious of having more children? Having one child is extremely taxing on the female body... not to mention emotionally, mentally, and financially taxing.

So having more children could just be making her more anxious, before she has delivered the first one? ?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 1h

A friend of mine (absolutely woke leftist climate change person) argued with me about my dream of having up to 4 kids. She asked me if I would like to have another one. I told her I wanted more. She got really defensive.

I think you read this like I initially read it but "her" in

Since my better half is pregnant (#771612) and we are excited about our new journey, I had a chat with her.

doesn't refer to his wife but to his friend. His friend got really defensive, not his wife.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 1h

Hmmm. It sounds like his wife got really defensive. Just the way it sounds.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 2h

I think in the end it on the female to decide how many kids to have. People can change too. I never wanted to have kids. I may have been in a similar mind set to your friend. Lucky I woke up!

BTW where I live in semi rural Western Australia it's not uncommon to meet families who have 4-5 kids. I think it also comes down to happiness and stress. If you're enjoying life, you naturally want to have more. Unfortunately for us, we started pretty late and it looks like its going to be 2 kids. We'll see, you never know!

Good luck!