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633 sats \ 28 comments \ @zapsammy 29 Nov alter_native

the stupidity among men can be a highly destructive trait. this may be an innate trait, i.e. genetic or epigenetic. it may be passed down by word of religion, tradition, culture, etc. (recall the stories of prophets who say that human sacrifice is the way to bring rain).

if the human stupidity is not intercepted quickly and arrested (stopped), the effects can be devastating. i think the evidence is undeniable that stupidity is systematically inbred and engineered into the population. one can teach a person to be stupid, and the stupid gene is probably somewhere out there in the DNA chain. note: the word psychopathy means pathologic thought (incorrect reasoning).

idk what gene or agenda is responsible for stupidity, but we cannot wipe it out in the same way it was introduced and made popular. this means we cannot attack the agenda or the gene straight on. it's like Fiat: don't fight it, but stir people away from it.

it is up to the intelligent people to build up defenses against the stupid. can the stupid be re-educated? i think so, i really hope so. i suspect that most of stupidity is secondary (acquired) rather than primary (genetic/epigenetic/inbred). however, we are far from attempting that on mass scale, imho.

it's possible that most people will never care about the specifics of why one idea is bad (satanism, electric cars only, bug meals) and another idea is good (true christianity, bitcoin, whole foods).

so what's a way to perpetuate the good message when people don't care or have time to read and think?

i think that no matter what anyone says, most people still care about other people. the energy that can be put out by a man or a woman is stronger than any text, video, machine, weapon, etc. when there is a 2+ bitcoiners : 1 normie ratio, the success rate of orange-pilling is much higher. this also extends to other ways of living! the idea is to concentrate the signal of how to live a good life.

basically, choose wisely who u hang out with, and who u let ur peers meet. it is very important, in the early stages of stupidity correction, to maximize the signal to noise ratio. simply avoid the stupid.

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20 sats \ 5 replies \ @south_korea_ln 29 Nov

it's possible that most people will never care about the specifics of why one idea is bad (satanism, electric cars only, bug meals) and another idea is good (true christianity, bitcoin, whole foods).

Your whole premise seems to be based on one value system being better than the other. Yet, we all got shaped by our upbringing. I don't think either value system is better than the other. I like to believe my value system is the best, but objectively, it is not worse or better than the one of many people I fundamentally disagree with.

Just for the sake of illustration, let's put some of your examples against the following statement...

i think that no matter what anyone says, most people still care about other people.

Electric cars: although the effectiveness of EV is very debatable (and even more, the way it is pushed onto people), people who support(ed) this tech could have done it out of altruistic reasons. I have close contacts with people who are very much into the ecological movement. Due to their value system, they deeply believe that something has to be done about human-made impact on the climate. They do this because they believe this is best for them and other people, their offspring, and the future of society. They care about other people. Not saying they are right or wrong, but I would definitely not call them stupid for that.

Bug meals: same argument as for EVs

True Christianity: I am sure it is a net positive for people who believe in it. They get something very good out of it. Yet, is it always good for other people? I have a friend who calls himself a true Christian, yet infringes regularly on the freedom of another friend of mine, due to the latter being gay. It's their value system to think being gay is bad. I'm sure they are not doing it to actively harm the other person, yet from the other person's perspective, they are.

Whole foods: from a health perspective, great. Not gonna argue against that. But I will never judge a parent who cannot afford such foods and feeds processed stuff to their kid. They do it because they care about their kid, by making conscious choices about how to allocate their money.

Bitcoin: Bitcoin is great, not going to argue against that either, as a big believer in Bitcoin. But from the perspective of someone with a different value system, e.g. European style socialism, they believe that Bitcoin is going to make it harder to implement what makes (made?) socialism a net positive for European society for a long time. Redistribution of wealth has arguably had good outcomes too. Workers' rights, subsidized healthcare, etc. Most socialists agree that this system is nearing its breaking point. It has worked for the last 100-200 years, but less so in recent years. Yet, they still care about other people, and in their value system, they believe they can repair this system, rather than completely replace it. Bitcoin is the antithesis of this system. It's not stupidity to think they can repair it, it's just a manifestation of one's value system. As a side note, I believe Bitcoin can play a role too in a (partially) socialist society, but that's for another time.

Your value system seems to be based on religion, free markets, and climate-change skepticism. Those are all valid values. I share some of them with you. But they are not the only valid values out there. Assuming someone is stupid for not sharing the same values as you is not going to help you change their mind on certain topics.

Quite a long wall of text. Too lazy to review it in detail. In any event, thanks for posting. Zapping you a few sats to underscore the fact I have no grudge against you or any idea you shared... it just triggered me to draft this response~~

142 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 29 Nov

You nailed to to the depths human cognition van lead. The article seemed to me a bit confusing and reading your comment made things clear.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

thank u, i read all of ur points, and altho will not address the points in depth, here are my thoughts:

solipsism, also known as moral relativism, is one of the tenets of satanism.

people struggle to accept the fact that truth is universal and absolute, that there is such a thing as absolute rights and wrongs. futhermore, we are so far removed from knowing what is true and what is not, that the best we can do when educating are approximations.

the truth starts with the "law of one" - everyone matters, actions of one man effect others' lives, no matter how far removed.

then the 10 commandments were introduced, which can really be reduced to the 5 wrongs - what not to do.

now multiple societies (groups of people united for a common purpose) have sprung up, and the man-made rules are more numerous than ever. the further from the truth (true knowledge), the more numerous the man-made laws.

Re: bad ideas:

bugs: how does one ensure that each bug is clean, of feces and parasites?
electric car culture: why do we need so many batteries? where are the thorium-powered engines? most electric cars are still charged using energy generated from petroleum varieties (blood of the earth).
religion: true christianity is not a religion but a righteous way of life. it's not about following the textbook, but thinking for urself first, and then looking for the truth inside the passages. it's like thinking while following a template, rather than being led by the words. just like any technology, it can be used for bad or good. chat GPT can construct a useful outline, but beware of asking it to think for u.
whole foods: if a healthful food is not available, i wud rather fast than eat trash - this is most familiar to people with allergies. have u considered the effects of long-term sugar intake and seed oils on the brain and thoughts that brain can produce? a good 2-3 days fast does not kill a regular man (exclude diabetics, neonates, etc). oh yeah, what about the break-fast psyop (that it's somehow the most important meal of the day?).

i am very happy about the discussions my post triggers 🤓

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln 29 Nov

We'll have to agree to disagree here. I fundamentally cannot find myself in the following statement:

solipsism, also known as moral relativism, is one of the tenets of satanism. people struggle to accept the fact that truth is universal and absolute, that there is such a thing as absolute rights and wrongs.

solipsism is different from moral relativism, as far as i know
it's not because I'm a moral relativist that i have anything to do with satanism. That's a not sequitur.
sounds like circular reasoning. Invoking it as a fact that truth is absolute. Truth is man-made to me. Nothing absolute to me. It's just that a lifestyle that doesn't harm others too much is most likely to survive in the long term, hence it's good enough for me to live by such lifestyle.

Anyhow... You've got your truth, i got mine (spoken as a moral relativist~~).

Have a good day :)

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

i wud cast a stronger spell on u if i cud; i gotta study more, for now i am out of arguments 😇

one more thing... u have a very logical mind, posting really cool problems. i am out of practice, so i started reviewing math & geometry so i can tackle those.

many are stuck in the logical side of the brain. the abstract side has to be engaged in order to achieve holistic thought - so many things become clear, rapidly. then there is Stephen Hawking - he ventured so far left that he emerged on the right, without passing thru the median (that's why medi-tation is so helpful).

3 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln 29 Nov

Thanks for the kind words.

And yeah, maybe one day I'll manage to tap into the abstract side of my brain. It's a gift and a curse to be be very/too logical. My wife does not always like it~~

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @TheMorningStar 29 Nov

Good Article. But you wrote it with a lot of punctuation errors. Why?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

i do not capitalize first letters unless it's an acronym or an important proper noun. this makes the writing look less official, more of a comment than an official announcement. "u" and "tho" and the like is a style. it's easy to spot this style, in case i change username but wish to preserve the signature of my internet voice.

as for other grammatical errors, it may be due to the late post, typing on a slow phone, lack of grammar review (maybe it's time...), or seed oils in the restaurant meal. i usually have someone proof-read thru my posts before i finalize but do not strive for perfection. 😁🤷

147 sats \ 1 reply \ @Roll 29 Nov

We are all stupid in a way or another, If you avoid stupidity, you avoid yourself, the other, if you avoid stupidity, are you not the stupid at the end ? You can learn from stupidity, You can teach to stupidy, ...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

internal shadow work is very important, admitting i was wrong, purging incorrect thought patterns, fighting demons in my soul.

likewise, strengthening the light inside is important too. although, i have come to appreciate how the light is simply the absence of darkness. by doing no wrong, we shine.

80 sats \ 8 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 29 Nov

Perhaps what you are calling stupid people are low vibration people that cannot raise their vibration levels. Higher vibration level people seem to be smarter and make better decisions because they are able to use all of their facilities, both heart and mind. I think they can be taught to get to a higher vibration level, with effort and demonstration.

41 sats \ 5 replies \ @south_korea_ln 29 Nov

What are vibration levels?

37 sats \ 2 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 29 Nov

They are what level your whole being vibrates at. We all vibrate at some level or another. Lower levels seem to be darker in feel while higher levels feel much more light and free and happier. It is hard to explain very clearly. Try a tuning fork set to 340 hertz, just listen and breathe.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @south_korea_ln 29 Nov

Interesting, never heard of it.

Probably not my cup of tea though :)

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 29 Nov

Sorry, I was slightly misleading you. Pianos are tuned to 440, now and 430 before. It wasn’t my cup of tea until I tried it with the tuning fork. We have.a piano, that I think we should tune to 430 rather than 440. It is more relaxing.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

check out Aaron Abke, he is my favorite on this perspective: https://youtu.be/_pu1lRBkUF4

beware of the new-age movement, "the last culdesac before the goldmines." there are many fakes out there. they usually sound like this: "relax, do nothing, it's all gonna be alright in the end, do not resist." sometimes it's a very subtle deception; mental clarity is nuanced.

i think that the better people get at recognizing deceptions, the more sophisticated the scams will get. we can see it with chat scammers, social engineering for stealing crypto, but this applies to everything. gotta git good.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 29 Nov

Yes, relaxing doesn’t do much for you, at all. You also have to do the inner work to clear obstructions to higher vibratory levels.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

oh yeah, low vibrations is good way to put it! (yet, see the comment below, a user asking to define it).

we are stuck in a low-frequency prison; even if one soul is at a higher vibration, the others who are at a low vibration, trap the rest. i like to think of it like a bucket of crabs - when one tries to climb out, the rest pull it down.

i wonder if there is a way to code metadata into a post, that would show the definition for a word or a term when hovering over it? that would save so much text, since some definitions are quite dense, and vary person to person.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 29 Nov

That was a good way to describe some of what goes on with vibration levels. Many people want you to stay in the lower vibratory levels.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DesertDave 29 Nov

Maybe focus on working with those you feel are intelligent instead of what to do about "stupid" people.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

that's a start, but then i risk working in a bubble, an echo chamber. someone needs to go out and find people who can still be saved from zombification.

although it's enjoyable to be around like-minded people, that is not my ultimate mission. i want to raise the average consciousness.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DesertDave 29 Nov

I am not sure exactly what stupid means. Everyone has different skills. I am stupid(uneducated) about most everything. But I feel that I am bright and talented as well. How do you define stupidity. Are we taking iq? Are we talking emotional intelligence. How about spiritual wisdom?

31 sats \ 3 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

#685370

a stupid person is someone whose actions result in loss and/or harm to others, with no benefit to the stupid person. a net negative to all, including himself; the most dangerous individual.

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @DesertDave 29 Nov

So almost everyone. Lol. I think I am not a fan of the word. It doesn't seem like a helpful label to me. How can we help someone while calling them stupid? I think everyone is stupid at times, but I wouldn't call anyone categorically stupid. I would like to highlight their positive attributes and help them find a role that fits those.

11 sats \ 1 reply \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

u may be on to something there... where are the smart people? maybe they are hiding in the white censored areas of google maps.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 29 Nov

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74 sats \ 1 reply \ @Imyourfed 29 Nov

The idea that stupidity could be in our DNA is kind of scary, but honestly, I think most of it’s just taught, like you said. People grow up surrounded by bad ideas and just take them in without questioning anything. And yeah, trying to fix it by fighting it head-on never seems to work it just makes people double down on their dumb ideas. The whole 'don’t fight it, but steer people away from it' thing you mentioned? I think you’re right that most people can be re-educated, though. It’s just a massive task, and most of the world doesn’t seem to care enough to even try. Like, people don’t want to read, think, or figure out why one thing is good and another’s bad. They just go with whatever’s easiest or loudest.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @zapsammy OP 29 Nov

when someone wants to learn, i dedicate a lot of time talking to them. i study every day, from a wide variety of subjects, sacrificing a high salary, so that others won't have to peruse thru all the material in search of high-yield knowledge.

it's a lot of hard work to realign the brain. i do want to start a consciousness stream at some point, but i am still collecting information. i don't want to get embarrassed too early, so stacker news is a good medium to bounce ideas with kind people.

inbred primary psychopathy is scary indeed, and it is surely very very rare, probably even among the dark occult overlords. otherwise they would not have to rely on blackmail in their own ranks as much.