I think it's nuts to kick productive people out of a country.
Yes, the job market is tough coming straight out of college, but it's not easier for foreigners. Generally, they have more trouble because of concerns about actual English fluency and potential hurdles over their legal status.
The answer, as with almost everything, is to unshackle our industries from the endless government red tape. Then, they'd be hiring up everyone who's even remotely qualified.
It is their job because of fiduciary duties to generate the most profit possible. If that means foreigners for new employees, I guess that is what they have to do. They have no choice if that is an avenue open to them. That is why they do it!
Hiring people based on their competency would be better than hiring based on qualifications they want.
Degrees are become worth less and less as you gain experience in your field.
That's true and it's part of why getting hired right out of college is such a bad experience: no one knows if you're worth hiring yet and they treat you accordingly.
We can start by not asking for all of the qualifications.
Everyone should know a new graduate doesnt have experience.
Pushing people into trades instead of colleges might help a bit.
And these MBA degrees....less of those?
They also cannot use college grades and information from the colleges anymore due to grade inflation and DIE programs. I would not let a current or even a 10-years in practice doctor anywhere near me for fear of life. DIE hires are the death of a company.
Yeah, you could do that and also throw those whose green cards have expired out. That would be easy, too. Fine the companies hiring them hefty enough amount to make it unprofitable to hire H1Bs.
This douchebag is playing us like a fiddle. It's not a culture problem, it's a foreign saturated industry just like roofers. If they are so great at coding, why cant they do it from their home country? Shut down the public tranny schools and let parents decide who can provide the best education for their children. Fuck the CEOs that say they can't invest in the education of their own country and "need engineers now". Bull-fucking-shit. First hire the unemployed engineers, that will bridge the gap in time to get our own kids decent paying jobs.
I do think there are some narrow fields (rocket science being one) where attracting the absolute best in the world is optimal but there are other instances where educating and reskilling American workers makes more sense.
I think for the most part Americans can be educated and reskilled to take the majority of roles but maybe certain highly specialized ones in AI, Biotech, rocket science, robotics etc you can't simply say "well we will just train Americans to do it" because some roles require so much education and training and they can't wait 10 years while Americans are acquiring the skills to do them.
I think it goes all the way down through our elementary and high school systems. Americans are terrible students, by and large, because they never learned how to be good students.
Of the two options you offered, lack of desire is by far the more significant. I can only recall ever having one student who was putting in a lot of effort and just wasn't able to learn the material.
I couldn’t recall any like that. By the time they became my students, the ones that couldn’t handle the material had already figured that out and found another pathway through life. They may have been the smart ones by going out and finding what they were really good at and liked.
I think the only reason Murkans are poor students is that the Rockefellers got their claws into the education system. Before then, in the one-room-schoolhouses, students did very well and learned a lot. A lot of graduate students could not pass the 8th grade graduation test now. You have to see one to believe it.
My point is we have Americans right now who can take those jobs w/o being trained or re-trained but they are being shut out by cheaper foreign work visas
So within the CHIPS & Science Act there was a lot of building out our workforce addressed. The issue is that it isn't a quick fix and it takes a long time to build up the workforce size we need. It is why some of the companies building these manufacturing hubs have had to fly in workers from Taiwan to fill in the gaps.
Also, you have to factor in the cultural issues that TSMC in particular has highlighted to the government that no one factored in. How workers work in Taiwan is dramatically different than the US with the US workers being thought of as soft and weak because of all the demands they put on companies they work for. Bringing in workers on H1 visas for better or worse alleviates most if not all of these issues esp since we do not have the proper pipeline for these workers in place right now.
every person who knows a trade or skill has the ability to generate income and work for any system, to remove them for the mere fact of differences of any kind becomes a productive problem for that country, there are great minds behind computers around the world waiting for opportunities, as well as there are entrepreneurs who migrate looking to improve their economic situation with great technical capabilities. i believe that they should give an opportunity to these people and doing that they provide both parts, the system continues to develop and thousands of families are supported economically.
How does a prospective immigrant demonstrate knowledge of a trade or skill?
Simply saying I have a skill doesn't suffice
I can assure you that 12 million plus unlawful immigrants since 2020 have failed to demonstrate knowledge of a trade or skill or ability to generate income
You are assuring things that cannot be proven. In America today, you don’t work, you starve. Unless there are 12M decomposing bodies that died of starvation, you cannot possibly state this.
You forgot the NGO and government assistance granted to these invaders. The NGOs are getting money from governments and lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers to support the invaders and give them incentives to invade. The NGOs need to have their charters revoked. There are some countries enjoying relative peace because they kicked all of the NGOs out.
Only lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers think that state funding is charity. Too much of the money stops at the sticky fingers crowd, then the rest gets spread around amongst friends. Look at the $41 billion dollars missing for “Climate Change” and the over $21 trillion missing from the DOD. Charity? You’ve got to be kidding.
Anybody living, runnng a company or working in Californicated deserves to have their head examined. The lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers are firmly in charge of destroying a once beautiful place as fast as possible. They must have sold out to someone.
NGOs give away fake SSNs? What’s the point, you can’t claim benefits nor claim tax. It’s not like the SSO or IRS doesn’t check validity!
You can argue about taxpayer funding of NGOs supporting illegal immigrants and incentives sure, but it’s getting more detached from the argument.
There is not 12M illegal claiming government benefits, that is absurd and impossible. Sure fraud exists but it’s nothing like this. My reason for arguing this is that these beliefs you are expressing can lead to some very bad outcomes when taken to an extreme.
Two things can be true:
I'm glad to see this infighting because now both can start to be addressed.
I think it's nuts to kick productive people out of a country.
Yes, the job market is tough coming straight out of college, but it's not easier for foreigners. Generally, they have more trouble because of concerns about actual English fluency and potential hurdles over their legal status.
The answer, as with almost everything, is to unshackle our industries from the endless government red tape. Then, they'd be hiring up everyone who's even remotely qualified.
It is their job because of fiduciary duties to generate the most profit possible. If that means foreigners for new employees, I guess that is what they have to do. They have no choice if that is an avenue open to them. That is why they do it!
Hiring people based on their competency would be better than hiring based on qualifications they want. Degrees are become worth less and less as you gain experience in your field.
That's true and it's part of why getting hired right out of college is such a bad experience: no one knows if you're worth hiring yet and they treat you accordingly.
Right, and this is why the USA suffers a lot. We have our thinking backwards. We could be building a stronger workforce, but we dont.
What should we do or change?
serious question
We can start by not asking for all of the qualifications. Everyone should know a new graduate doesnt have experience. Pushing people into trades instead of colleges might help a bit. And these MBA degrees....less of those?
They also cannot use college grades and information from the colleges anymore due to grade inflation and DIE programs. I would not let a current or even a 10-years in practice doctor anywhere near me for fear of life. DIE hires are the death of a company.
The first priority will be to apprehend and deport criminals and felons.
Second priority will be to deport those who already have deportation orders against them.
That's pretty reasonable
How about third: deport H1B green card holders.
almost impossible to deport green card holders unless they commit a serious crime
That is very easy to change! Just make new immigration laws or modify ones on the books that nobody seems to follow.
easier and more important to pause or cut the number of new work visas and green cards approved in the present and future
Yeah, you could do that and also throw those whose green cards have expired out. That would be easy, too. Fine the companies hiring them hefty enough amount to make it unprofitable to hire H1Bs.
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Remote work qualified
This douchebag is playing us like a fiddle. It's not a culture problem, it's a foreign saturated industry just like roofers. If they are so great at coding, why cant they do it from their home country? Shut down the public tranny schools and let parents decide who can provide the best education for their children. Fuck the CEOs that say they can't invest in the education of their own country and "need engineers now". Bull-fucking-shit. First hire the unemployed engineers, that will bridge the gap in time to get our own kids decent paying jobs.
Agree for the reasons you stated
https://xcancel.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1872312139945234507
We should incentivize and develop our own workforce
First fix the DEI problem (and I mean make it illegal as fuck,) then we can talk about letting in more people that are smarter than us
+1000
I do think there are some narrow fields (rocket science being one) where attracting the absolute best in the world is optimal but there are other instances where educating and reskilling American workers makes more sense.
What do you think?
It should be a lot more efficient for all sorts of reasons on both the company and the state sides.
We already have enough skilled American workers but they are more expensive than H1 visa foreigners especially India
Does Silicon Valley need more Indians and Indian restaurants? Does Silicon Valley need more Tesla owners?
I think for the most part Americans can be educated and reskilled to take the majority of roles but maybe certain highly specialized ones in AI, Biotech, rocket science, robotics etc you can't simply say "well we will just train Americans to do it" because some roles require so much education and training and they can't wait 10 years while Americans are acquiring the skills to do them.
Not in my experience
There are a lot of culturally uneducable people wandering around. However, I think there are enough educable people to cover all bases.
Why not? Lack of desire or ability?
They are correlated
It is easier to want to do things when you're good at them.
I'm joking (partially).
I think it goes all the way down through our elementary and high school systems. Americans are terrible students, by and large, because they never learned how to be good students.
Of the two options you offered, lack of desire is by far the more significant. I can only recall ever having one student who was putting in a lot of effort and just wasn't able to learn the material.
Why do American whites and Asians top the charts if they're terrible students? https://xcancel.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1732087511327908128
Probably Jewish or sons of immigrants
view on x.comI couldn’t recall any like that. By the time they became my students, the ones that couldn’t handle the material had already figured that out and found another pathway through life. They may have been the smart ones by going out and finding what they were really good at and liked.
Which class? Econ? Math? Statistics? Physics?
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College student?
Yes. I only ever taught college students.
I think the only reason Murkans are poor students is that the Rockefellers got their claws into the education system. Before then, in the one-room-schoolhouses, students did very well and learned a lot. A lot of graduate students could not pass the 8th grade graduation test now. You have to see one to believe it.
Starting around 1965, school districts became larger and teachers began to unionize
Public school districts and teachers
I understand
My point is we have Americans right now who can take those jobs w/o being trained or re-trained but they are being shut out by cheaper foreign work visas
Hmm, if only there was some decentralised mechanism by which supply and demand could be balanced 🤔
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So within the CHIPS & Science Act there was a lot of building out our workforce addressed. The issue is that it isn't a quick fix and it takes a long time to build up the workforce size we need. It is why some of the companies building these manufacturing hubs have had to fly in workers from Taiwan to fill in the gaps.
Also, you have to factor in the cultural issues that TSMC in particular has highlighted to the government that no one factored in. How workers work in Taiwan is dramatically different than the US with the US workers being thought of as soft and weak because of all the demands they put on companies they work for. Bringing in workers on H1 visas for better or worse alleviates most if not all of these issues esp since we do not have the proper pipeline for these workers in place right now.
Suggestions for election slogans: We hate immigrants—just the stupid ones. Or, or let’s keep the borders tight but the talent pipeline wide.
https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1871994319009423529
every person who knows a trade or skill has the ability to generate income and work for any system, to remove them for the mere fact of differences of any kind becomes a productive problem for that country, there are great minds behind computers around the world waiting for opportunities, as well as there are entrepreneurs who migrate looking to improve their economic situation with great technical capabilities. i believe that they should give an opportunity to these people and doing that they provide both parts, the system continues to develop and thousands of families are supported economically.
How does a prospective immigrant demonstrate knowledge of a trade or skill?
Simply saying I have a skill doesn't suffice
I can assure you that 12 million plus unlawful immigrants since 2020 have failed to demonstrate knowledge of a trade or skill or ability to generate income
You are assuring things that cannot be proven. In America today, you don’t work, you starve. Unless there are 12M decomposing bodies that died of starvation, you cannot possibly state this.
You forgot the NGO and government assistance granted to these invaders. The NGOs are getting money from governments and lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers to support the invaders and give them incentives to invade. The NGOs need to have their charters revoked. There are some countries enjoying relative peace because they kicked all of the NGOs out.
Sure, if you don’t like charity…
Only lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers think that state funding is charity. Too much of the money stops at the sticky fingers crowd, then the rest gets spread around amongst friends. Look at the $41 billion dollars missing for “Climate Change” and the over $21 trillion missing from the DOD. Charity? You’ve got to be kidding.
24 billion dollars unaccounted for in CA
CA defaulted on a federal loan which means tax on business has increased to cover the delinquency
Anybody living, runnng a company or working in Californicated deserves to have their head examined. The lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers are firmly in charge of destroying a once beautiful place as fast as possible. They must have sold out to someone.
It's not charity. It is stealing taxpayer money for causes taxpayers don't support.
I wish there were 12 million people dying of starvation but such is not the case because of taxpayer assistance
They are getting government assistance in the form of stipends, EBT cards, housing, clothing, medical care
You wish for the untimely deaths of millions?
That’s horrible. Please have some compassion for humanity.
By definition, someone without an SSN is not getting any assistance from the taxpayer. You may be misinformed on exactly how this all works.
I don't wish for the death of millions
I do have compassion but sentiment cannot be the basis of immigration policy
They get SSN, fake or otherwise, from their NGO sponsors
Your information is outdated
You are being willfully naive
NGOs give away fake SSNs? What’s the point, you can’t claim benefits nor claim tax. It’s not like the SSO or IRS doesn’t check validity!
You can argue about taxpayer funding of NGOs supporting illegal immigrants and incentives sure, but it’s getting more detached from the argument.
There is not 12M illegal claiming government benefits, that is absurd and impossible. Sure fraud exists but it’s nothing like this. My reason for arguing this is that these beliefs you are expressing can lead to some very bad outcomes when taken to an extreme.
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The reason why:
view on x.comIt's why Chuck Schumer has made statements such as this:
view on x.comA path to citizenship for illegal immigrants is a cynical plan to increase Democrat constituents.
The illegal immigrants Chuck refers to are low IQ and low skilled, most are illiterate.
There will be no path to citizenship for lawbreaking wetbacks
edit: Cesar Chavez populaized the term wetback. He and his brother and other relatives would beat up non union immigrants in the 60s and 70s.
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