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881 sats \ 77 comments \ @stack_harder 14 Jan meta

When I see the posts from a year ago, I see a lot of names that are no longer posting and it made me wonder, what is the average lifespan of a stacker? does @k00b have info on it?

Do we know the ratio of new stackers coming in Vs old ones departing?

One thing I like about SN, is it reminds me of the 2000s and the forum days, you log on, check the threads you like, and see the usual posters (proto assmilkers, if you will ).

Sure, maybe there was an outflow with the introduction of CC, but what about before when it was straight sats?

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169 sats \ 4 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Jan

It's a good question.

For me, what's different from the old days is that being on social media is like dipping your brain in bleach, with cayenne pepper mixed in. You take damage from it, at least I do, and eventually you just have to ghost for a while.

Still trying to figure out how to inhabit the scene the right way, where it's accretive to my life, and to build relationships that feel real and honest. I think this is a civilization-level problem.

319 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

I'd love for you to elaborate on all of that in a post. I'm very curious about what drove you away, what drew you back, and how you're thinking about moving forward. Also, what you've noticed after returning.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 12h

i stay off most social media, have a look at nostr every now and then, and facebook i keep around as there are some useful expat groups for me, but i also see plenty of triggering stuff so i limit my time. SN has its own vibe and i don't find it has the same drain as other platforms

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tomlaies 14 Jan

is like dipping your brain in bleach, with cayenne pepper mixed in.

What's the cayenne pepper in this metaphor? Bleach=damage and cayenne pepper=?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 21h

More damage. Different kinds of irritation.

290 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 14 Jan

When I first joined ~ a year ago the crowd was different but also much smaller as it seemed that it would be roughly the same people that would comment on my posts and whose posts I would comment on. To me it has dramatically expanded and in particular there are people I know will for the most part be in certain areas.

Like Stacker Sports really has its own subset of people who I tend to see there for the most part.

SN has undergone amazing development over the last year but I do think some people, those that say they are true Bitcoiners, pulled back with the introduction of CC. They seem to think that Sats are out even though I am getting less and less CC as more and more people are attaching their wallets.

33 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 14 Jan

A lot I would imagine. I'm surprised I've stayed for as long as I have. Neat place, really

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

i would like to know who are the day 1ers that are still around

62 sats \ 7 replies \ @k00b 14 Jan

I haven't looked at these stats in a long time (kr took lead on this), but we did a serious review them after SN was around a year old. One of the crazy things was that we retained ~80% (IIRC) of people for at least a month, after they received a comment or zap on something.

Anyway, you made me curious so I looked. Here's the result of a quick query. This would be cool to add to the analytics dashboard.

count	avg	max
25736	90d	1316d

The header is how many at least stayed that long.

1w	2w	1m	2m	3m	6m	1y	2y
10698	9531	7861	6437	5677	4155	2399	695

13 sats \ 5 replies \ @pillar 21h

@k00b thinking out loud: could you guys be interested (aka have budget) for developing internal analytics for stacker.news instances as part of the app itself?

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 21h

We have some analytics but you mean something else?

13 sats \ 3 replies \ @pillar 13h

I'm thinking of something similar to a static site generator. You define s set of queries towards Postgres and visuals with code, check it into git, build it periodically. You can serve the pages publicly or keep them internal. All based on FOSS.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 2h

Hmmm static would be interesting. The way our analytics work currently is we generate materialized views periodically, then query those (basically we query expensive aggregate queries we precompute). We use metabase for our internal dashboard, which is FOSS, to do this kind of thing internally.

I've thought it'd be neat to externalize a read-only metabase - something that requires less work than our current setup.

Are you interested in building something like this or just brainstorming? If it's something you'd like to work on, we can make a gihub issue, work out the details, and put a bounty on it.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @pillar 47m

I get your analytics approach regarding materialized views + metabase. That makes sense.

Knowing that's what you are using I think you could appreciate some of the advantages of the approach I'm proposing. For instance, I'm kind of guessing you might be irritated by the fact that with Metabase is hard to version control and build with regular git ways of working (e.g. PR flows). Or not having clear dependency mapping regarding which dashboards rely on which tables of your backend, which means you might blow up some dashboard accidentally when working on the backend database.

Regarding internal/external, I think it could be used for any of the two really.

I could be interested in building hands-on.

What do you think about this:

I make a standalone repo on github that showcases in a very stupid, hello-world grade way the approach while reading from some mock Postgres tables that resemble real tables from stacker.news.
You take a look and see if it clicks in your mind.
If you're interested, then we can discuss which serious, useful analytics internal use cases or page features this could be applied to. And open issues, discuss bounties and the like.

Should I want to DM you about this, what's the best place?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 46m

A gihub issue would be best.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @random_ 19h

6.5% gang rise up

114 sats \ 6 replies \ @chungkingexpress 14 Jan

I miss the "Snailposting until $100K" posts by @orthwyrm, whatever happened to them?

33 sats \ 5 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Jan

Got to $100k I guess. Pour one out.

33 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 14 Jan

Their last post #665298

the looters are coming, so i am going to nemo for a while

I think this was around the time of some unrest in the UK, or might they might be protecting their virtual ass from getting milked. Hard to tell.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 14 Jan

... What looters?

Is this really a reference to protests/uprisings and he was scared about the physical safety of his Bitcoin stash? Really?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury 14 Jan

I wonder if I will ever figure out what the horse is, the gun is, and assmilking is. I keep assuming I'll learn if I see them all enough in context, but I'm too dumb apparently.

179 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 14 Jan

horse/gun is an easter egg type thing like the hat, but related to use of external wallets - some stackers have figured it out.

Assmilking, to me, is an attempt to extract more sats from SN than one provides in value. Scoresby googled it so you don't have to.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 14 Jan

1000 sats from your wallet in and 1000 sats to your wallet recieved.

66 sats \ 13 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

Keep in mind that many are changing their aliases. I was watching this behavior for long time...

My hope is that SN became the new "BitcoinTalk" forum from old days... all the rest is just noise.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 14 Jan

that SN became the new "BitcoinTalk" forum

Sorry but most people have a very shallow understanding of cryptography. Most are just here for economic populism and echochambering without substance.

70 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

I have also noticed that. The suspicious ones, l will post on their bios. When SN first started, was it able to migrate all of the older bitcoiners to here?

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

That would explain why the number of stackers is so stable over time.

13 sats \ 5 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

why change an alias? wouldnt it be better to keep using an account with a good reputation and stacking history etc?

32 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

why change an alias?

Did you know that were/are at least 2 impersonators of Darthcoin? Guess who are behind those accounts...

During all these almost 4 years in SN I observed a lot how:

users are losing their login details (dumb, I have no respect for careless people)
users are changing alias, just for fun
users are changing their alias to fuck around and mislead others
users are changing alias because they think can escape from Darth watching (they're wrong)
users are creating sockpuppets accounts and even impersonators

I know most of those that really need a separate SN account, for managing territories, or selling products privately, posting jobs etc. That is 100% understandable and we will not judge it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 12h

i forgot about impersonators, i see them on nostr quite a bit trying to scam people in DMs, if you're dumb enough to think lyn alden wants to send you trade signals in DMs, i guess you kind of deserve to be scammed lol

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Aardvark 14 Jan

I'm guessing people who change may not have a good reputation so they decide to start over? It seems like a lot of work for not much reward, but who knows...

110 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

pussies

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark 14 Jan

💯

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby 14 Jan

SN can still be Bitcoin Talk but also so much more. Agree to disagree on the rest being noise.

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

Agree to disagree on the rest being noise.

Like Stackers Sports... and fitness

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 14 Jan

Appreciate your opinion. I will keep doing what I want to do.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

I know you are good guy and have good intentions... but I have to punch you all the time :)

88 sats \ 3 replies \ @Fabs 14 Jan

I'm still here, waiting for @ek to show me some affection...

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

You got a special shoutout from @Car on the most recent Stacker Sports Pod.

29 sats \ 1 reply \ @Fabs 14 Jan

I did? Link?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

No idea what timestamp, but here you go: https://www.fountain.fm/episode/W8sa9lzMvsEtYiEp0pxj

137 sats \ 4 replies \ @cryotosensei 14 Jan

I think it takes a certain profile to wanna hang around on SN. Your tendency to type long replies makes you a natural fit here, because that stimulates conversation, and Stackers generally want to learn and exchange ideas from each other.

One must generally like to converse with others. Because typing essays takes effort lol.

I invited my ex-shitposting mate from r/cc to assmilk here before. He lasted barely a week. He stuck to the same MO that brought him success on r/cc - sharing of links, making funny remarks. But it’s a posting mentality that is erhm rather forgettable to the regulars here

Sensei has been assmilking here since Dec 2022 thumps chest

18 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 14 Jan

I'm so glad that what works on Reddit doesn't work here. But I'm also wondering why that is.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 12h

proof of milk right there!

i think perhaps a shitposting / reddit style could work if there were more active numbers. reddit is so big that the options and subs are endless. whereas on SN, we have a smaller number of territories and 90% of are so dead, that posting there is almost pointless

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 14 Jan

Your tendency to type long replies makes you a natural fit here, because that stimulates conversation

Are you sure? I think stackers like short snarky replys, like on Twitter. The sats upvoting also encourages "ratioing" people like the quote feature does on Twitter.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

That's wild. I thought you showed up a few months after me.

70 sats \ 2 replies \ @NovaRift 14 Jan

I hope I don't disappear like them. So far, I really love this place no pointless posts, just a steady flow of knowledge.

15 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

I hope you don't disappear like them, as well.

35 sats \ 0 replies \ @NovaRift 14 Jan

Thanks 🙏

196 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

I remember when I first noticed the same thing. It would be great to attract some of them back (occasionally they pop back in).

k00b likes to tell us that SN is still in beta, as a reminder that changes are coming. I think attrition tends to cluster around the big changes: two years ago that was territories, last year it was MSM, this year it'll be Cowboy Credits.

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 14 Jan

I agree 💯.

113 sats \ 6 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

The people who are meant to stay will stay. I do miss some of the older posters, they had interesting perspectives. Just couldnt make the economics and time work, l guess.

122 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

That's exactly it. Life comes up and Stacker News won't always find a role in people's routines (hard as that may be for me to fathom).

33 sats \ 4 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

I get it though. A lot of people wander here and stay for a moment. Wanting to make lots of sats from seeing a post that has 100k on it. It isnt as easy to replicate as people think.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

I think there's also some burn out. There aren't that many different people here, so maybe someone just never finds a sufficient group that they click with.

I'm fascinated by the question of "What separates stackers from non-stackers?"

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

I think everyone burns out after a while. Its just a matter of when. I have noticed I talk to the same people, but there are the few that come along that are worth talking to here. The question could be asked, "What separates the holders from the non holders?" Just life experiences and situation?

86 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 14 Jan

There's just enough new blood and topics I find perpetually interesting to stick around.

I've noticed that I'm talking to a new set of people, now that ~HealthAndFitness is up.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

There are always good topics, and the random column is nice when it feels like a slow day. I do talk to new people....but I always wonder what their objective is.

reply on another page

45 sats \ 7 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

I have wondered the same thing. I came during the march madness, and everyone was posting and commenting like crazy. There was so much content. The attrition rate is pretty high, though.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

MSM was a mistake

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 14 Jan

It brought a lot of unwanted people to SN. But I also believe it might have incentivized people in the wrong way. This is a pay to post sight.

35 sats \ 4 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

what was goiing on in March? i accidentally found sn in q4 then took ages to pay attention, then went balls deep

32 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 14 Jan

Pretty much the same for me, lol!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

yeah, i stumbled accross SN from an alby link or something, made a snyde comment about Germany on one of Tomk's posts and then noticed i had some sats the next time i checked lol

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Jan

#444168

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

holy shit, the milking event of the decade

34 sats \ 1 reply \ @Msd0457890 14 Jan

You may be right about that. There may be some desertion or emptiness, but we must also take into account those who emigrated to Nostr and I think that those who left could not or did not want to discover the magnificence of this platform.

201 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

i was on nostr first and then found SN and was like, oh you can actually speak to people here and earn some sats

people on nostr say just add more value, but the reality is the top posters are just known people , saying GM and making a ton of zaps. hardly super valuable

14 sats \ 1 reply \ @OT 14 Jan

It seems like it has changed a lot since it started. I'm glad that SN has led to some unknown bitcoiners getting a bit of shine.

I want to see more engagement from more knowledgeable bitcoiners. I think there was a bit more of that happening in 2023.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 14 Jan

i would have thought with new ATHs it would be popping off here

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tomlaies 14 Jan

and see the usual posters (proto assmilkers, if you will ).

SN is basically just the 3 dozen usual names for the last 3 years posting the majority of stuff. With a vast and growig majority of people that post very little.

At this trajectory SN will not become"Hacker News but with sats" or even "Reddit but with sats".

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 18h

Your bearishness seems fair enough that I thought I'd share that internet community power laws are pretty common.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 14 Jan

If we can get to listen from all those who left, we'll surely find out that all had their own reasons to leave. There might not be a particular reason. But the most will say that they got busy with something else, something more important, more than SN.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 14 Jan

@Rsync25 since January 6?

13 sats \ 2 replies \ @stack_harder OP 12h

Ryan is gone like the wind

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 12h

cowboy credits

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @stack_harder OP 12h

man I'll miss the 5000 spam news links a day and raping of the awards pot