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Last week it came out that roughly 75,000 Federal employee's had accepted the Trump Admin's "Fork in the Road" offer/buyout/deferred resignation it really just depends what you want to call it at this point. With 2.3 million Federal workers across the government those 75k equated to roughly 3.2% of the Federal workforce. That was just the first phase though.
Last week it was coming out about all the probationary workers that were being fired before they hit their year or two year mark (depends on the agency) which would have made them a hell of a lot harder to fire. As of this morning it is estimated that roughly 12k were fired at the end of last week from various agencies and departments including the Department of Energy, FAA, Small Business Admin, Office of Personal Management, Education Department, and others. Adding the 12k to the 75k the resulting 87k is roughly 3.7% of the workforce.
This week there are going to be more layoffs with it being rumored that up to 15k IRS workers could be laid off. Just adding in those 15k IRS workers would bring up past 4% to close to 4.5% of the workforce. That is a wild wild amount and something I honestly did not see coming. Each Department and Agency is also rumored to have to come up with reorganization plans and identify offices that either could be removed or combined. Doing this would further cut into the Federal workforce and lead to cost saving for the government. It would likely lead to government buildings being either repurposed or sold off leading to savings there.
Factoring in the 15k bringing us to 102k I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities that we could end up this year with over 150k jobs removed. That would mean roughly a 6.5% reduction in the size of the Federal workforce! An enormous number for a single year.
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I love the number of Parks and Recs comments that can be made!
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3 million federal employees
20 million federal contractors
Why don’t we fire the contractors first?
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The gov doesn't pay the pensions of those contractors either...
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Yep yep!
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To be clear... I say cut the employees and the contractors... but I would start with the employees :)
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I mean you have to start somewhere.... one leads to a long term investment and the other.... well it doesnt lol
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Yep and it is likely easier to add contractors back in when the next admin comes to power.
isn't it easier to fire contractors? why not start there?
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Because the clock for the probationary hires was ticking and each day more and more would more or less "graduate" to the wild protection that civil service offers. Plus contractors can be fired sure but a lot of contracts would still have to be honored so it would be better to let them just run their course and run out (that would likely be September fwiw).
19 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 18 Feb
My guess is that you'd get better results and save money by firing the employees and only using contractors... but I feel ya.
The irony of people that "believe" in the government is that it would likely completely fail in days if the private companies that make everything work stopped doing their work for the government. This is why I laugh when people think he have to have the state! Who would build the roads!!!? The same companies that do it now likely... for less money paid by corporations that need them. Likely there would be subscription plans for using the roads and tolls.
The only reason why non-socialist economies don't collapse is because the government doesn't run the economy completely. The more close you get to central planned econs the worse the situation will get.
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there are at least 20 million contractors vs 3 million federal employees
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Contracts are often a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to fire. If the government fully ran everything itself the unions would absolutely destroy any sort of budget.
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They need the government Tit flowing with milk to make their payroll.
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Ultimately, the 75k number is a little disappointing. From what I've seen, that's less than the number of federal workers who typically leave their job in an average year. So, that program is likely a long paid vacation for people who were quitting anyway.
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From what I have heard.... I have not seen or read this anywhere but it is the rumor in DC the 75k was more than they were expecting. The people that also took it were those who were out of their probationary period and those people are so so so hard to fire. Even if you completely crap the bed a lot of careers are just unfireable and they are "reassigned" to analysts and essentially just sit there and do nothing.
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It's true that they're hard to fire, but they do change jobs at a rate of somewhere between 2-6%, from what I've seen. I doubt many people took it who weren't going to leave anyway.
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When you add on the freeze and the probationary people (typically 1 to 2 years) being fired it does cause a pretty significant hit to a pipeline to backfill the positions
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Don't those people usually get replaced though?
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Yes, but there's a hiring freeze on, so they wouldn't have this time.
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I imagine some people had to have taken the deal thst wouldn't have left otherwise.... but yea, it sounds less impactful than I had imagined
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Probably some, but my guess is that it will mostly have been people who were eligible for retirement (or soon to be).
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It's only been a month, let's just hope they stay aggressive with the cuts.
Round it up to 10% and its still barely a start
This is demonstrating for all to see that you can do these unprecedented things that people thought couldn't be done and its still not enough, it's beyond simple repair... this goes for the budget more broadly too, DOGE not making a dent
Since we probably need to eliminate closer to 90%, something drastic will have to happen after this pony show is over... Constitutional Convention timeline still on track.
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lmao 90% of 2.3 million is 2.07 million. That would 110% cause Congress to flip next year and give the Democrats an easy thing to absolutely rout Republicans. It would be suicide and it wouldnt even work. Dems and Unions would tie it up in court and wait it out then rehire everyone.
This is about as dramatic as you can do without destroying your ability to keep control of Congress. There is a reason some Republicans are starting to push back because they are in areas that are starting to be hit with mass layoffs and constituents are pissed
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Congress to flip next year
lol, you wish
anything less and voters will be disenfranchised altogether, adults know it needs to be burnt down and that's the mandate. A few districts inhabited by contractors can't stop what's coming.
... and the voting machines will be audited by 2026. People laid off this year will be more gainfully employed (or fiscally retired) in the private sector by then.
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Lol you obviously have not read much of my political stuff because you would know I work for the Republican Majority in the House so hell no I do not wish for a flip. If that happens 2/3 of us get laid off because of how the budget is split between the Majority and Minority.
Fact of the matter is while sure tons of people are levelheaded and know that there is a lot that needs to be cut as soon as it is their friends, family, or themselves then it changes. Have you looked at major US companies recently? They are initiating mass layoffs I mean even Southwest Airlines who never has is doing one. If unemployment and inflation get stick and trickle upwards then the House is in some deep shit.
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I've seen enough out of you to confirm that the Republican party still has a way to go in terms of purging itself of feckless uniparty losers that are not MAGA and simply controlled opp that exists only to find justification for not doing the right things.
For someone taking such pride in being on-location you have the most milquetoast normie headline writer takes imaginable.
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Bro wtf hahahahaha
I mean you didn't even address most of what I said for the love of God. You just what say I'm a feckless uniparty loser and what you want me to just make stuff up on the hill and yell it to you? I would think you would like to know what is going on but it appears you dont you just want someone make stuff up?
Considering I was getting death threats on SN for a bit last year yeah no shit I toned it down. Work is already wild enough I dont need the stuff I do for fun to turn into a mess as well.
not enough
not enough
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an enormous number in such a short time, indeed, but still does nothing for the overall standings. Doesn't move the gigantum needle even a bit.
That's the hopeless attempt going on here.
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It does do a lot when you factor in benefits long term. The pipeline to backfill has been shut off which further helps the government stay lean.
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Y'all are gonna be so disappointed when DOGE and the new administration do "big moves" and nothing has an effect on anything in your life.
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