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65 sats \ 16 replies \ @SimpleStacker OP 28 Feb \ on: The talks between Trump and Zelenskyy are getting WILD news
This is the wildest thing I've ever seen in politics. Probably crazier than Joe Biden's mental collapse on stage in the debate.
Why did they decide to do all that with the cameras running?
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Tomorrow I will have a post about this.... Naturally this Admin (who I do support) has made a lot of stuff difficult including regular Congressional Staffers like myself getting screamed and cussed at in the streets for something we did not touch or do. I have lost several friends in the last month along.
Friday was my 30th and I was hoping to have some peace and celebrate it when the exact happened occurred. Since the shit storm I have slept and tried to ignore this until tomorrow but I will be sure to follow up about everything I know and well my opinions about it all.....
Happy birthday to me -_-
So the story gets worse.....(I'm sure this is a fair amount spin to this, but lots of it rings true).
- Evidently Sec of State Rubio is pissed, he had told Trump that "the deal was done" and then Z shows up and start free-styling and changing terms. Makes Rubio look bad since he vouched for Z that the deal was ready to go.
- They had 2 binders prepared. So they were all expecting to greet each other, chat for a bit, then proceed to sit in front of cameras and sign the deal...then it went off the rails...
- The clip of arguments thats being circulated is the last 10 mins of a 40 min conversation. Everything leading up to the blow out was calm and productive. Then evidently Z got heated with JD Vance and it all went to shit.
Probably no better pic explains the meltdown than the poor Ukrainian Ambassador
Why did they decide to do all that with the cameras running?
What good is a psyop if no one is watching?
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I'm not entirely sure the nature of the disagreement either, or what the main sticking point is.
I think Russia wants a guarantee that Ukraine doesn't join NATO, and Trump is willing to concede that. Not sure if Zelenskyy and Western Europe are on board with that. Trump also wants Ukraine to concede "mineral rights" but i'm not super sure what that means. Probably giving US companies the right to engage in natural resource development & extraction in Ukraine.
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there is also the question was aid to Ukraine a gift or a loan
because there is no way Ukraine can pay it back
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From reading some more online, this is what I gather has gone down.
- US wanted Ukraine to give up portions of land already controlled by Russia to Russia
- US wanted Ukraine to sign minerals deal with US to pay back loan
Zelensky agrees to those 2 points, but he makes it contingent that US provide "security guarantee"
Trump refuses this as it keeps US perpetually on the hook if and when fighting reignites.
Thats what led to the blowup in the meeting.
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Trump should make a deal with Putin:
Donbas is neutral
Crimea stays in Russia
US extracts minerals from Ukraine
new elections in Ukraine to get rid of Zelensky
update: new leader of Germany publicly supports Zelensky, which is symbolic only
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The current blow up puts weird pressure on Putin. If he continues to attack it makes it look like either (a) he and Trump are secretly ganging up on zelensky (which Trump would hate) and/or (b) that he is disrespecting Trump and destroying Trump's peace promise which hurts him politically.
Its a tough call on how to proceed.
Thanks, that's useful to know
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