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2649 sats \ 31 comments \ @k00b 14 May devs

I love websites-as-rants

Hey, dipshit! You know what loads faster than your bloated, overengineered mess? Plain, unadulterated HTML. And you know what doesn't break every motherfucking Tuesday? HTML that just fucking works. Why the fuck are you overcomplicating things, you masochistic fuck? You're out here acting like you're building the next goddamn moon landing when all you need is a button and some text.

Newsflash, asshole: the web was doing just fine before your bloated frameworks crawled out of the sewer. You're out here dropping ten grand on some fancy-ass framework like it's a Gucci purse, just to haul around the same shitty groceries you could've carried in a plastic bag from 1995. Why the hell are you jumping through all these hoops when HTML's been sitting there, ready to go, since the dawn of the goddamn internet?

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54 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 14 May

I guess this wasn’t made with love, hosted on GitHub lol

60 sats \ 0 replies \ @rblb 14 May

Once people used to say that structure should be html, graphics css and computation js.

Now js frameworks think they should just do everything. I am convinced jquery's fadeIn started the domino that bought us here 🗿.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @nichro 15 May

Reminds me of the motherfucking website

"Good design is as little design as possible." - some German motherfucker

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 15 May

Although I agree..... I can't help but feel that we're just old me yelling at clouds.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @plebpoet 14 May

oh nice, I was just telling @ek the other day that I'm embarrassed about writing my website in html, but now I feel justified. Not that I have much of a choice, I learned html in 8th grade, and it's all that my toolbox contains.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 15 May

I thought you were only embarrassed that it shows HTML in the URL because it looks untidy

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using (raw) HTML when that's all you need

54 sats \ 15 replies \ @ek 14 May

I didn't even read it yet but I already know I'm going to love it

I built zapback with HTMX and I didn't regret it

100 sats \ 14 replies \ @rblb 14 May

htmlx is a javascript framework

121 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 14 May

It's an "un-framework", in that beautiful middle spot between HTML and convoluted shit like Next... the DX is completely different

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 14 May

Someone once told me, so proud of their cypherpunkness, they weren't using javascript on their website because they made it with htmx.

I've never looked closely at htmx, but I knew they weren't just making use of hidden html attributes or something.

17 sats \ 11 replies \ @ek 14 May

So? The point is that I didn't have to write a ton of Javascript that renders HTML myself, HTMX is only adding attributes to HTML, and it's not a "bloated, overengineered mess."

Working with HTMX is completely different from other JavaScript frameworks, so saying HTMX is a Javascript framework isn't appropriate imo.

50 sats \ 6 replies \ @rblb 14 May

No, it is not adding attributes... all custom tags and attributes are valid in html, they just do nothing by default... HTMX is calling a ton of querySelectorAll to select its own custom tag and then run javascript on them.

This is very inefficient and bloated, you can just write html and use plain javascript querySelector for the elements you need, this is what htmx does, it just does it for a lot of stuff you don't need.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 15 May

Please explain how the inefficiencies and bloat you see in HTMX actually matter. Do they significantly slow down the site or make HTMX too complicated to use?

But to entertain your argument: it's 1,604 lines of code in a single file ¹ with zero dependencies. If there's something you don't need, you could just remove that code yourself. That's how simple it is. Try doing that with a common JS framework like React, Vue, or Angular.

How much "bloat" can there be in less than 2,000 lines? ↩

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @rblb 15 May

Unpkg cuts the code at 1600 lines, the full source is actually 5000+ lines.

There is no point in judging quality and efficiency by counting the lines of code... a 10 line code can be slower and more inefficient than a 1000 lines code, what matters is what the code does.

React, vue and angular are also zero dependency. There is also a lightweight version of vue .

It looks like you sing praises to htmx only because it is a less known outsider than the other frameworks that everyone uses, but it is really no different, and you often don't need a js framework. That's my point.

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