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I have no idea who these people are... and I'm afraid to ask at this point. lol
Not really. I don't care.
From the comments.
He already had a fair trial where he was convicted of violating the computer fraud and abuse act. His actual offense is sealed, but it would have been something like ddos, spreading malware, intentionally destroying someone else's data, etc: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16517474/united-states-v-rockenhaus/
He violated the terms of his supervised release, and the government executed an arrest warrant where he got hurt because he was being combative. Tor isn't even mentioned anywhere.
Who knows. We are missing a lot of info but upon skimming the witness hearing linked in the OP this seems correct. He is suspected of violating the terms of his release. That's the official story at least.
What I like about these guys taking this apart is that they are pointing out the specific things that are problems in what Walsh and Carlson are saying. They aren't just calling them names.
The reason the left can't do this is because they are guilty of the same things. They just have a different set of preferences.
Well, a large number are opposed to this idea. Many in Europe for example. We are gonna be forced to learn the lessons of the past if we don't keep talking.
His audience was "non-Jews" mostly.
For sure. Which is what most of us are.
other than the HOPE that we are grafted into God whoever "we" are, whatever those promises may be. Ultimately, He will decide which of His promises apply, and which do not to each person.
Amen. I wish more people were this open. Ultimately, I need to put one foot in front of the other and walk.
I'm not interested in debating you but I am curious what you think about this on a theological frame because of your church.
Do you hold to the theology that the Church is now Israel and that the Church is grafted into the promises of God? Specifically in Romans 9 and 11 Paul talks about this.
This aligns with the movements already in play around Internet speech.
No matter the problem. The solution is always more statism. More authoritarianism. Doesn't matter who is in power. That's what we get.
Internet IDs are close. Nostr and Bitcoin are gonna be more important than ever.
Aren't you protected by libel / slander laws?
Also, not trying to minimize it but its true. We were promised this kind of thing would happen by Jesus and we have a long history of it happening. We win in the end. Love overcomes evil and the wicked. I think we need to remind our brothers and sisters in Christ of these things. These people are deceived by the enemy. They are not the enemy. God will deal with the enemy. We must trust in Jesus and not back down.
Great way to think about it.
Also, its good to be aware of the spectrum of thought as well as stupidity. I think today we are struggling with the reality that there are so many people not like us. We are focusing on the differences more than what we have in common. Easy to blame the Internet but really a lot of this existed before. We just were not aware of it.
Maybe that's not a good thing. Only time will tell.
have had multiple people that I know - that I have never talked politics with - mention recently in the course of standard conversation how there's so much "anti-Semitism" around now.
You probably have a lot of low information "voters" around you as I do. That's what the TV says. But its not a single message anymore. You have people promoting Hamas mixed in with people that think both Hamas and the Israeli government are in the wrong.
They seek to divide us. That's how we are controlled. We should talk about these things like humans. Not be told to shut up or killed.
Bingo. But we are propagandized and have been for decades now about how unsafe we are. There's a reason. Power. Fear is how you gain power.
Its done by both sides too. And its going to led to tyranny. I immediately thought this after Kirk was shot.
Its like this person or people are trying to create what they claim to fear. Are they trying to push Trump into being an even more of strong man type figure? Are they trying to guarantee that his successor is even more heavy handed?
Trump isn't an ideologue. He's none of the names they call him. He's a dude that wants to do stuff and doesn't care about your politics. But, because of this he can be dangerous. What is more dangerous is how many people I see rejecting the idea that we should limit the state. People cheering on imprisonment without a fair trial. People cheering on violent action because they believe they have been wronged.
Its not good. I have been concerned about this stuff for at least 10 years now and it seems to be speeding up. Its why I'm in favor of national peaceful divorce. The alternative is civil war. I was saying this to friends in 2016 and they laughed. I was saying this in 2020 and they laughed less. I was saying this in 2024 and they laughed like 2020 didn't happen. I don't even want to say it any more. I see it happening already.
But I think to them, absolutely any commentary about the war in Gaza that isn't completely pro-Israel is anti-Semitism.
The sad reality is that these types of attitudes are leading to and will increase anti-semitism.
I remember in the early 2000s realizing that the far left was going to far in their claims that the tech industry was full of hate. In the 2010s they were making stuff up. A nazi thing here. A white supremacist there. Movements that were present in my youth had been marginalized at this point. But they kept calling people Nazi that weren't. They kept calling people white supremacists because they were against quotas for speakers at conferences. I said to many of my friends that they are going to create what they claim to fear and hate.
I think this is what we are seeing. When you call people names like this for long enough some people are just wired to lean into it and say. Yeah, I am. And here's why. Its a human pattern outside of this political conflict. Its a rebellious nature in some people.
The same people that mock the left as snowflakes are doing the same thing on Israel. There are Jew hating people. Plenty of them. But far too many on the right and in Christian circles are lumping everyone into the same bucket because they are lazy and do not want to have a reasonable dialog. They have allowed fear and anger to overpower their ability to reason.
I know enough military guys that would agree with me on this. Most security is more of a deterrent that a bullet proof shield.
I think the Trump assassination attempt probably opened a lot of eyes as to how its not that hard with modern tools and weak security. I suspect we will see more copy-cats.
Same with schools. I have said this so much in private conversations that I don't even do so here. School violence could be stopped but we don't wanna spend the money. All the gun control doesn't matter. Its fools that have no clue pushing for that or cynical political actors. Police stations do not get shot up. Why? Because they are full of armed men.
But we would rather pretend that reality doesn't exist and live in fair land where gun rules will protect us from evil.
I have heard that many politicians are now asking for more security. I hate to say it but I think we will see more of this until it can be shown to be stopped. We saw this in the 60s and 70s and into the 80s. It happens in other countries. I hope we don't see a right wing shooter do something similar. I pray we don't see any more of this but I am not that hopeful.
Exactly.
My real problem with the state compelling people is that if the state is "the people" (its not but people believe that lie) then the state should reflect the will of the people. Not some ideal that the people don't like.
This is where democracy really breaks down for me. It seems to me the free market is more democratic.