106 sats \ 25 replies \ @Rsync25 25 Oct 2023 \ on: 2 New bug reports DELETED from Samourai Wallet's Gitlab Repo bitcoin
FUD of the Wasabi against Samourai
Would be nice if devs could act like adults. I say this as a dev.
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The problem lies with Samourai, who has created coinjoin software so bad it is indistinguishable from a fed backdoor. If those devs were adults, actually intending to create a secure coinjoin implementation, they'd fix those issues. They have not.
Hopefully, they're just children rather than feds.
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Only Samourai have issues? Any Coinjoin implementation have
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Woah. It's that bad hey?
I've never used coinjoins... seems like a hot wallet honeypot tbh
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Trezor offers coinjoins with full privacy for cold wallets.
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Interesting, I'd love to read about this fed backdoor thing... all I have ever heard is childish rock throwing from both sides frankly. Very few mature explanations of tradeoffs.
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Surely there is a well written explanation out there of all the trust issues with Samourai.
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Here's Peter Todd:
And Greg Maxwell: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg51128834#msg51128834
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So this is about the default Samourai mobile wallet? IE if you aren't running your own Dojo? I've heard this debate between the two teams. See, when you don't explain WHY you don't like x and you don't debate it fairly in the way those you oppose would agree with you lose credibility with me. Peter Todd doesn't seem to be being clear with the tradeoffs. Its much easier and fun to just say x sucks.
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I find it very weird to think of someone who is coinjoing but is also not using their own node... like who even does that?
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I agree- Samourai continues to decline any debates, I would really love an explanation from them myself.
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My guess is that they do not believe it will be a good faith debate. Based on this debate from CD76: DEBATE: Are the tradeoffs of Samourai Wallet's light client mode a benefit to users? and the conversations I've seen it would be very annoying.
My comment about grown ups remains. Both sides seem to be way to emotional about this and lack the ability to clearly explain the trade-offs in a concise clear way. Odell did his best but it was painful to listen to the debate.
I have no idea if Samourai is a honey pot. When you start there you lose credibility. The issue is that you are trusting Samourai when you use their node instead of your own node. That's the issue. Samourai's app does suggest you use your own node.
These "debates" usually turn into pissing matches and aren't interesting or helpful. Reminds me of comments like VPNs are a scam. Or Tor is a honey pot. Its lazy incomplete communication promoted by social media culture.
I had a feeling this was a waste of time. Sorry I asked about this.
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Thanks... a 1 hour video... wow.
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It's the very first question in the video, you don't have to watch the whole thing.
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Me too. Kruw is a Wasabi developer and people from Samourai confirmed it for me, and I also checked on BitcoinTalk and it was confirmed again.
Sometimes we don't need to FUD each other because of ego. I think this fight is endless nonsense.
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In my many years of working in tech I've developed a pretty quick BS detector. Sometimes folks just suck at explaining things but most of the time these people don't really understand something well enough explain it. Instead they just just say x sucks because of y and never explain x or y. Then act like you're a dummy because you don't believe them. Its a special kind of person.
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Haha. True
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It's called "Peer Review", and it's not FUD, read the issues for yourself.
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Ah, so this is the reproducible builds thing.
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No, not at all.
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