Bitcoiners don't really have a good understanding of ____

Bitcoiners don't really have a good understanding of _____

6561 sats \ 48 comments \ @birdeye21 4 Dec 2023 bitcoin

Not that you all do, but as a bitcoiner, beyond money, I naturally also carry supreme omniscient wisdom regarding:

Seed oils
Family values
Geopolitical tensions
Vaccines
Bluetooth headphones
Religion

I don't understand why you all seem to make such a fuss about such things. There is no nuance in life! No grey, just black and white! And I am firmly on the right side of all these issues.

Okay, okay...on the real though. Some think it's alllll about being right or wrong in the world, and I've certainly noticed that mentality among the higher-than-thou, orange-pill-overdose bitcoiners.

Now, this is definitely exacerbated by social media. I do think that the vast majority of bitcoiners around the world are but mere humble plebs like stackers here, but there's no ignoring that some online Bitcoin voices can carry a lot of influence.

There's something about a discovery that "others don't know about" that apparently gives people the free pass to inflate their egos larger than the money supply itself. Why is that? What about having a crystallized understanding of the fiat system leads one to think they can pinpoint all the issues in the world to simple causes?

And based on your own observations and experience, are there areas in life that bitcoiners seem to double down on, that they really could just chill about?

I see it happen all the time, but if anything, Bitcoin highlighted to me just how layered and nuanced problems are in the world.. Everything is connected.

Monday stackers...GET AFTER IT THIS WEEK.

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4401 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 4 Dec 2023

Bitcoiners don't have a good understanding of generalizing. I'm kinda kidding because just saying "bitcoiners" do/do not x is generalizing. We are a diverse group but not as diverse as the rest of the world. There are certain common patterns you see with bitcoiners.

My theory about some of the things you listed is that most of these are somewhat heterodoxical views. I think many of us were already comfortable with having views that aren't on the index card of allowable opinion before bitcoin. But there is something that happens to a person when you learn that the majority of people are wrong about one thing. And then another. And then another. You start to break out from the training to trust institutions and you start questioning things most people just assume are as firm as bedrock.

The challenge is to not go overboard to the other extreme and believe every alternate view just because it is opposed to the orthodoxy. I saw a lot of this during the pandemic. People questioning narratives that had tons of holes in them but then accepting theories that had very little basis in evidence or fact. Some were literally just some dude online suggesting something might be the case.

Many times family would send me a video and I'd look at it and research for many 30 minutes and find out... yeah this is nonsense. So they were exchanging their trusted sources. Moving from the institutions that had been lying to individuals obviously seeking fame by sensationalizing and capitalizing on the opportunities. Seek to be a curious skeptic not a crackpot.

Overall, I don't see bitcoiners on the whole as having issues with these things. Its the opposite. Most of the issues if you want to call them that are with influencers seeking fame and attention. The systems reward sensationalizing over rationality. I'd rather see more questioning than more sheepish behavior. The latter is what leads to a nation of people going along with genocide. The rise of monsters that lead the masses.

41 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

Great great way of explaining it all, thanks kep. There certainly is some kinda shift that takes place once you come to understand that large groups of people are wrong about certain things. But you are right, it’s perhaps the inverse that people tend to come to bitcoin already with this sort of mindset, hence how they liekly found bitcoin in the first place

41 sats \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 4 Dec 2023

Brandolini's law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle, is an internet adage coined in 2013 that emphasizes the effort of debunking misinformation, in comparison to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The law states the following:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4 Dec 2023

Yep. Makes sense.

836 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 4 Dec 2023

My journey into Bitcoin totally changed mu life and made me to learn not just about Bitcoin but about many other things.

So in all these 10+ years in Bitcoinlandia I was like a sponge sucking information from many sources and tematics.

I even start building a fucking house in the middle of nowhere, by miself without any knowledge of building.

As a bitcoiner you MUST study everything because Bitcoin will change your life in all aspects. And if you are not prepared, you will get rekt or will take ages to understand how things are working around you. Soon you will find out that others are really way ahead of you. That will end in frustrations, anger, greed, mistakes etc.

So start reading, learning, open your fucking eyes and ears to all kind of stuff related to Bitcoin, don't be a stubborn statist and obedient slave shitizen.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

Darth you ride the balance quite well I must say, and it is refreshing. I know you have the PoW supporting your worldview! My problem is with the PoS opinions, backed up by nothing but stubborn vapid clinging to personal biases. Like a shitcoin!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @hasherstacker 5 Dec 2023

Very true.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Zepasta 4 Dec 2023

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71 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 4 Dec 2023

Kiyosaki is just another market manipulator. He doesn't even know how Bitcoin works.

Check this recent tweet. where clearly shows he's a grifter with no knowledge anout bitcoin.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zepasta 4 Dec 2023

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335 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4 Dec 2023

He wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad which is a good book with many good lessons. That said I agree with Darth. Many people that say/do things I disagree with have things of value to say or have said things of value. I put him in this group.

If we only listen to those who we agree with 100% of the time we are going to be ignorant and alone. I don't even agree with myself over time. I've thought and said many things in the past that I now disagree with. We are all human. Don't sweat it.

One bit of advice I love from Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life is to enter relationships with the attitude that I can learn something from them. Even if you disagree or think they are inferior. I've found this to be true. Even if it is that I learn why they believe something. Or why they are wrong.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 4 Dec 2023

No, the quote is good in its essence. Just that the guy is using it to manipulate his audience. He have a large number of dumb followers...

Just follow the money around him and you will see what he's doing.

454 sats \ 2 replies \ @carlosfandango 4 Dec 2023

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24 sats \ 1 reply \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

They may have guns, but we have MEMES

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 4 Dec 2023

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71 sats \ 0 replies \ @kosmos 4 Dec 2023

The outspoken figures in the realm of Bitcoin often lack substantial knowledge. A significant portion of them seems woefully uninformed, which can be quite frustrating. It bewilders me. It would be more beneficial if they approached the subject with humility and cultivated a more critical mindset.

Fortunately, there are others who, though less vocal, possess a profound understanding of Bitcoin. They are the unsung heroes, the silent intellects, without whom Bitcoin would be adrift. Gratitude is owed to these insightful individuals for their contributions to maintaining the integrity of Bitcoin.

33 sats \ 2 replies \ @orthwyrm 4 Dec 2023

Bluetooth headphones

wait what

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @kilianbuhn 4 Dec 2023

Also the food stuff lol

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

See my reply to Onions lol

28 sats \ 4 replies \ @Zepasta 4 Dec 2023

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57 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4 Dec 2023

Radio's affects on health is my guess. I've heard this at least. Radio tech can affect health but bluetooth is so low wattage I have very little concern about it. Even if there are negative health affects to cell phone and bluetooth usage most people are doing so many other things we know have more impact on health that I chuckle at this issue.

There's something interesting about humans. We tend to focus on what is out of our control and instead focus on things we can't control. I'm sure there is a name for this but its so weird. We know sugar is bad for our bodies yet most people consume insane amounts of it. Just reducing or eliminating this would make a massive impact on the health of most people. But no, lets focus on things we don't understand, which are in high dispute from both research and experts in the technologies.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

THIS lol

Some ppl take it to extremes

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @jinformatique 4 Dec 2023

also please add smartwatches. Most of them have Bluetooth always one. So try to sleep at night wearing your smartwatch to track your sleep cylce and it's beaming frequency waves every so often that it destroy your body cells. In the long run people get cancer. After searching for a month, I bought the Garmin Instinct 2, where you can enable or disable bluetooth and sync when YOU decide it.

Personal experience: I wake up in the middle of the night wearing a Huawei Fit 2. My arm was really itchy, a bit electrical, it stung me. Next day, I returned it.

It's not an extreme at all. Manufacturers in order to sell rather than taking into account those small details. They add marketing to say that it's not harmful, when true scientist (the ones with values and ethics) prove it damage cells into the body. Same is true with microwaves. We leave in a corrupt world, what did you expect, should I remind you.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

Man I need to find the example but probably won’t be able to, but yes something about Bluetooth putting radiation in ur brain

More so added that one for the sake of dramatics 😂

31 sats \ 3 replies \ @OT 4 Dec 2023

I think bitcoiners just like to argue

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 4 Dec 2023

Yep, this is very likely true. This is what my wife says about me though not as much as when I was in my 20s.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 4 Dec 2023

Arguing is good, as long as it is based on facts and logic. That is how good ideas rise to the top and bad ideas are discarded.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 4 Dec 2023

I disagree! (joking)

It is a good way to refine ideas about bitcoin. I've recently found out that monero maxi's can argue pretty hard too. Some of their ideas have been difficult for me to simply dismiss. I still think that there is no need to own monero but the gap is a little closer.

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @eduardopro 4 Dec 2023

Bitcoiners have no idea of who runs the world.

70 sats \ 0 replies \ @wefofficial 4 Dec 2023

I think many bitcoiners could expand / refine their understanding of trust. Even the mantra of "trusted third parties are security holes" has a lot of nuance to it if you look at the context:

A corollary of “trusted third parties are security holes” is “all security protocols have security holes”, since no protocol is fully free of such assumptions. The key steps in estimating TTP costs and risk are to (1) examine one’s assumptions thoroughly to uncover all TTP assumptions and characterize specifically what each TTP is and is not expected to do, (2) observe that each such specific hole and task has an associated cost and risk.

I attempted a series of essays on trust that didn't exactly take the bitcoin world by storm but I think it's worth the time to meditate on the subtleties (such as, well-placed trust is a beautiful thing, so obviously "trust" is not something to be avoided in all cases), even if my writeup didn't illuminate them very well.

56 sats \ 0 replies \ @paddy_jackson98 5 Dec 2023

The problem is that some people are just egomaniacs and obsessed. It's not BTC connected, it's just life. These peoples mentality rarely changes.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @knorozov 4 Dec 2023

corruption? no, how to be diplomatic!

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @jgbtc 4 Dec 2023

There is a high percentage of people with strong opinions among bitcoiners but you seem to be indulging is some straw manning and hyperbole here.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 4 Dec 2023

Definitely a bit of hyperbole, and as I mentioned I’m sure Social media exacerbates these things. But the fact I’ve seen these examples enough to use them as examples…ugh. Perhaps my own social media consumption problems 😭

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @ca 4 Dec 2023

The more conspiracy theories you believe the more likely you are to be wrong. It's simple.

Science is mostly right/demonstrated, errors are present but far and between.

Ironic how Bitcoin is based on math, but many bitcoiners don't believe in the scientific process

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AJ1992 5 Dec 2023

THIS. FUCKING THIS. IM LOOKING AT YOU DARTHCOIN

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 5 Dec 2023

#327589

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @AJ1992 5 Dec 2023

Bitcoiners/MAXI'S dont have a good understanding of how society is supposed to function. They also don't have a good understanding of the fact that capitalism does not work in the long run. They also do not understand that being selfish is not a trait you should be proud of.

21 sats \ 7 replies \ @harrr 5 Dec 2023

What does work in the long run?

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @AJ1992 5 Dec 2023

Look at most of Europe or Australia as a great example. The fact that we have people in this country having to choose between paying rent and getting their life saving prescriptions is something no other first world country has an issue with. No one should go bankrupt because they get cancer. Look at the infrastructure and high speed rails in Europe as well. They don't have people working full time and falling under the federal poverty guidelines. They don't have an issue with a lacking minimum wage that would be $34/hour in the U.S. of it would have increased with the inflation rate. And that's calculating from when a minimum wage law was first signed into law. That's a statistic that can't be argued.

It's an internal single market with free movement of goods, services, capital, and labor. That's what works. I won't dismiss the fact there are some issues with that model also, but every single economy/government economics is going to have flaws of some nature. Wanna know what absolutely doesn't work? An anarchist society.

I am sick of myself and almost everyone I know who also has a college degree working over 40 hours a week and/or two jobs and still barely making it even without kids and even while living alone/with a roommate splitting the rent with you.

That's what

126 sats \ 5 replies \ @harrr 5 Dec 2023

Are you seriously trying to suggest that Europeans and Americans don't have similar free market, capitalist societies?

I am sick of myself and almost everyone I know who also has a college degree working over 40 hours a week and/or two jobs and still barely making it

Besides, neither the US nor Europe have real capitalism, most of the fucked up stuff is precisely because they are centrally planned economies, through a central bank and fiat fueled malinvestment, which bitcoin fixes.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @AJ1992 5 Dec 2023

Bitcoin creates just as many issues as it fixes though. And you maxi's fail to realize that there are some big flaws that in my opinion prevent Bitcoin from widespread worldwide adoption even with lightning. And the anonymity factor (which really isn't even possible in most cases anymore anyway) will not bring the masses in to Bitcoin because to be honest the majority of people don't care enough about paying or sending funds anonymously.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @harrr 5 Dec 2023

Lol, ok shitcoiner.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @AJ1992 5 Dec 2023

Why don't you argue the substance and the points I'm making instead of just slinging insults? Oh, that's right, because you have no argument against what I pointed out because my analysis is spot on.

99 sats \ 1 reply \ @harrr 5 Dec 2023

Substance?

Bitcoin creates just as many issues as it fixes though.

Zero substance.

And you maxi's fail to realize that there are some big flaws

Zero substance

And the anonymity factor [..] will not bring the masses

Zero substance, just an opinion.

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