SN release: mute territories, opt-in moderation, iOS pwa notification fixes(?!) \ stacker news ~meta

SN release: mute territories, opt-in moderation, iOS pwa notification fixes(?!)

8543 sats \ 51 comments \ @k00b 31 Dec 2023 meta

zaps forwarded to @ek (33%)

You can mute territories now either by visiting the territory or in the overflow ... for an item belonging to that territory.

Territory founders can enable moderation in their territories:

their territory gets a moderated badge
- the badge includes a count of how many items they've outlawed
- territory founders can turn moderation on and off, but the badge does not go away if they've ever outlawed an item
in the item overflow ... they can outlaw items with a click
anything outlawed by founders is still visible in Wild West Mode
anyone posting or commenting in the territory sees some help text letting them know it's moderated

In general moderation is a sledgehammer and we plan to introduce more economic tools to avoid needing to use it, but some people will want it anyway and we haven't made those economic tools yet.

We think we might've finally fixed PWA push notifications on iOS but tbd. 🤞

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1652 sats \ 4 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 31 Dec 2023

All about the iOS PWA notification fixes lol I enjoy following the discussion on the GitHub bug

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

Unfortunately, it is still not fixed lol

786 sats \ 2 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 31 Dec 2023

Do you have an iOS device to test with yet? I know for a while you didn’t.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

Not yet, @k00b and me are currently discussing exactly this in Slack, lol

Quote from me:

I can't believe Apple is making me buy an Apple device so I can debug their shit lol

I'll get try to get my hands on a used 6s next week

457 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 31 Dec 2023

LOL

1041 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 31 Dec 2023

Oh, this is big! Maybe some old friends will return.

650 sats \ 4 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

cc @DarthCoin

298 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 31 Dec 2023

Let's hope

424 sats \ 2 replies \ @OneOneSeven 31 Dec 2023

Wonder he still would’ve left if territories initially shipped with a mute/ subscribe feature

274 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

I’m under the impression he left for other reasons. Surely he understood everything is a work in progress here. He’s been here since the beginning.

150 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

maybe something happened and really fast, this was from the same day - Dec13

That's why I stop working any job and I dedicate my time to Bitcoin and SN...

#351101

760 sats \ 0 replies \ @ryu 31 Dec 2023

Wouldn't it be nice if Apple didn't intentionally kneecap their browser's own functionality to prop up their centralized bullshit, while also limiting even further what other WebKit-based browsers can use through the few API's Apple allocates overall?

It says a lot when even Orion is kneecapped, considering it's the Safari made by technically competent and user-respecting developers.

464 sats \ 2 replies \ @617a7a 5 Jan

I don’t think we’re quite there yet XD

15 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek fwd 5 Jan

No, we are definitely not haha

15 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 5 Jan

Yeah these counts have been wack lately

622 sats \ 0 replies \ @2 31 Dec 2023

Thanks for the updates!

471 sats \ 23 replies \ @fishyness 31 Dec 2023

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340 sats \ 0 replies \ @yoshi 1 Jan

Maybe there should be a mute all feature and then you can just enable the ones you want. Would make it easier, especially as territories grow.

1042 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

loving it, back to basics [...]

lightning

this is a new territory though

399 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury 1 Jan

Haha, this is like most of human psychology in a single comment.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek fwd 1 Jan

I call it the Stack Overflow Effect:

Post something which has a slight error in it and a lot of people will correct you and in turn give you the right solution so they can feel superior.

Post something asking for help and no one will care to help you or give you the solution.

lol :)

595 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 1 Jan

Related, in my mind, to this post about vices becoming virtues -- someone thinks that "lightning" territory was always there and that it's one of the virtuous originals.

Who knows which other territories might become virtuous in 2024? Hmmm.

0 sats \ 17 replies \ @Eobard 31 Dec 2023

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100 sats \ 16 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

did you not forget something? 👀

786 sats \ 15 replies \ @Eobard 31 Dec 2023

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794 sats \ 7 replies \ @Eobard 31 Dec 2023

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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

You don't need to include it if you're not interested in cryptography

I was mainly talking about ~Agora with my question above since you started selling comments and I am still waiting for my comment, lol

30 sats \ 4 replies \ @jeff 31 Dec 2023

Can you share some examples of PoW in this context?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Eobard 31 Dec 2023

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @jeff 31 Dec 2023

It was predictable that you would cite this one.

But, I'm not sure if it's a great example of a pattern for repeatable PoW.

~Agora is a centralized listing service, effectively taking a listing fee...where listings are going to compete with each other for rank? And, I don't get the point of zapping somebody else's listing? There are plenty of other classified ads platforms, and building one ontop of SN seems broken. On the other hand, if it works, I could see SN building features to support market-place-type territories, which would be wild to watch.

Allow me to rephrase my question.

Can you share some examples of PoW in this context, for territories aimed at discussion?

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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

territory owners must EARN my respect and prove PoW to join the 10-only list of my territories non-muted

agree - territories' owners need to do some POW so to earn attention.

100 sats \ 6 replies \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

I’d add

bitdevs
litdevs
nix_os

too if you’re staying Bitcoin/tech focused

130 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

Maybe builders as well and bitcoin_beginners. We need sub-territories 😆

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Car 31 Dec 2023

sub territories please and now with this muted feature i instantly regret calling it builders

3 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

Why do you regret calling it builders now that there are mutes?

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard 31 Dec 2023

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199 sats \ 7 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

yay!

could we have batch mute? Or how about the default mode is opt-out, then need to choose which one to join, but then how can we even get to know there are new territories in the first place haha... tricky indeed.

505 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

Let's see how this goes first. There are a variety of tradeoffs to any approach.

If territories were opt-in only, then we'd have to default people to some set of territories (which would biased as hell) or have none selected to start in which case you'd have an empty experience like on twitter.

While this might not be a forever approach, it is congruent with muting and unmuting stackers which is very nice I think.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

but then how can we even get to know there are new territories in the first place haha... tricky indeed.

Maybe this could indeed be a bot that posts into ~meta when a new territory was detected

416 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b OP 31 Dec 2023

It could be, but we need territory discovery features in general.

271 sats \ 0 replies \ @quark 31 Dec 2023

Yes. We'll need a map :) thank you for the mute territory feature so far!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek fwd 31 Dec 2023

Yep, it's just a bandaid. Maybe someone will read this and feel inspired though lol

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 31 Dec 2023

good, or @saloon at the same time 🧐

now need to do some manual mutes.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 1 Jan

Excellent. This is a good feature to improve user experience.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ez 1 Jan

Mute is great but potentially superior thing here would be the ability to select or deselect (like subscribe or filter) the territories you want to see on your feed in the territory dropdown menu.

I see way too many subs I'm personally not interested, this would be a great improvement

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ch0k1 31 Dec 2023

You can mute territories now either by visiting the territory or in the overflow ... for an item belonging to that territory.

Territory founders can enable moderation in their territories:

their territory gets a moderated badge

the badge includes a count of how many items they've outlawed

territory founders can turn moderation on and off, but the badge does not go away if they've ever outlawed an item

in the item overflow ... they can outlaw items with a click

anything outlawed by founders is still visible in Wild West Mode

anyone posting or commenting in the territory sees some help text letting them know it's moderated

In general moderation is a sledgehammer and we plan to introduce more economic tools to avoid needing to use it, but some people will want it anyway and we haven't made those economic tools yet.

We think we might've finally fixed PWA push notifications on iOS but tbd. 🤞