No bullshit, drama, shitcoinery, e-celebs, censorship etc. And utilizes the Lightning Network with value for value?! This is like a dream platform.

116 sats \ 9 replies \ @kobie 6 Jul

It also has much higher information density than r/bitcoin, I never go there anymore. So much noise and ads and crap.

I hate that sub along with reddit in general. A huge waste of time.

I can't stand reddit, it's a shell of its former self. Aaron Swartz' unfortunate passing really sowed its demise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

250 sats \ 2 replies \ @a 6 Jul

We need more memes here though...

The hell we do! Go start coinmemes.news if that's what you're here for.

I miss bitcoin before the memes. Can we have 1 platform without memes and toxicity like the 2013 era?

oh yeah. This is way better when you need sats to reply/comment

1 sats \ 0 replies \ @nice 6 Jul

This. It filters out a lot of low-effort spam and doomposting.

I have a different opinion. I check Bitcoin Reddit more than twitter because its where you will find a good inflow of very new users. Bitcoin Twitter is where most of the conversation happens, but Bitcoin Reddit is where you can get a strong feel for new user sentiment.

Stacker news is going to have the least noise for now, because it is an entire platform dedicated to one thing. But it is an echo chamber, or a "safe space".

I also check other subreddits like technology to see what the sentiment is and if I can detect any measurable change.

Checking for sentiment and noting if it has changed or not, or is slowly shifting, helps you determine where the wider conversation among no coiners is leading, and that is important. How can you convert people to Bitcoin without understanding why they dislike it to begin with?

Everyone in Bitcoin would do well to avoid a diet of echo chambers, it only builds a community that is no different from any other echo chamber you may disagree with.

So have you seen any sentiment shift?

143 sats \ 1 replies \ @jp 6 Jul

it does. GTFO twitter - it makes life way better

EDIT: there are also a ton of simps on twitter which is pretty annoying.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Majjin 6 Jul

I second this. Getting off Twitter improved my day to day.

It will come eventually as the platform grows, stacker news is currently living the pre eternal September phase

I hope that by the time the noise arrives we will be able to. filter it out

53 sats \ 14 replies \ @nice 6 Jul

I'm thinking the current incentive structure for SN will create instances where people will optimize for the most clickbait-y type of links and articles. I hope there's a system to deal with that should SN get traction.

2 sats \ 12 replies \ @a 6 Jul

How do you think we should deal with clickbaity links?

151 sats \ 0 replies \ @nice 6 Jul

That is a hard question. I've been giving it some thought since I posted that comment. I don't think moderation is a good idea and I would rather have the open market dictate the posts that float to the top. I think the current system works for filtering low-effort spam and I would like it to continue that way. One reason why I dislike reddit is that its structure is conducive in creating echo chambers where the "most popular" opinion for that particular subreddit floats to the top and any dissenting or controversial ones fade into their own small bubbles. The idea that I'm thinking at the moment is to not let the amount of stacked sats dictate the position of a post in any shape or form and only sort posts by their most recent activity. Clicking that lightning button should just be a form of "Thank you for your contribution to the discussion"-kind of thing and anti-spam. That way, people will not game the system for profit.

Clickbaity links aren't rewarded with sats unless the user decided to tip based only on the link title, which I think is unlikely, simply sorting by tipped amount should filter out all the noise.

Reposting from my reply below:

In terms of moderation, I think it would be good to do something along the lines of the "Orange Checkmark" in that users post sats to get "Verified" and through that mechanism allowing the community to enforce moderation.

So for instance, you need to post 100,000 Sats to get verified, and if you break the rules of the forum people can report you. If it is found that you did break the rules, you will be docked sats from your verification. The docked fee could then be split amongst the reporter and the platform in order to fund the moderation at the platform level and incentivize reporting at the user level.

This could be implemented for both the posts and the comments and would likely take care of the vast majority of spam.

11 sats \ 8 replies \ @nice 6 Jul

The docked fee could then be split amongst the reporter and the platform in order to fund the moderation at the platform level and incentivize reporting at the user level.

I was also thinking along these lines but I decided not to pursue it since you are basically rewarding people for mass reporting. This can lead to very ugly situations where wrongthink is punished and only the "most agreeable" opinion rises to the top. I think minimal moderation really is key to foster free and open discussion. Just something along the lines of: "Not bitcoin or bitcoin-tech related? Delete." should suffice. The current system, I think, already filters most of the low-effort spam and helps fund the maintenance of the site.

I've mulled over it for a bit more and I think SN could benefit on closing its open registration once it hits a critical mass of users. Having an invite system where current users can invite new users by giving them initial "liquidity" to interact with the site can help curtail the potential for the quality of posts to go down.

I can certainly respect all of that.

Just spitballing here, but what if you were able to still leverage economic disincentive, but also have it cost sats to report someone. 100% proceeds going to the platform. The users would see it as a donation to keep the platform healthy, and it would pay whoever moderates to do the job as well.

By virtue of the fact that its opt in, there would be no downside to the user.

1 sats \ 6 replies \ @nice 6 Jul

This might be a dim view on people but I can see a possibility where a reporting system can be used to weed out fringe and controversial opinions. With SN not having a "downvote", I think having a reporting system can (and most probably will) be used as a "downvote". That's why I'm leaning towards letting the open market decide which posts get to the top and only filter out posts that are off-topic for the site. Heck, you can even argue to not have any filtering at all. Put a hard limit on the available posts, say 100, and let the tip system dictate which posts survive and which not. That would be a nice experiment to see.

Also, I think a reporting system like that also creates a weird incentive where the site profits for every reported post.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @jacob 6 Jul

What if SN had a downvote? And it cost the same to downvote as it does to upvote?

1 sats \ 1 replies \ @nice 7 Jul

I don't think adding a downvote would help. It's what made reddit a crazy echo chamber of the same ideas and thoughts regurgitated again and again. That's why I mentioned above that stacking sats on a post should not dictate the position of a post in the discussion and the default post sorting should be by most recent activity.

yeah that's true, can definitely see that. doesn't matter if it's upvotes only or both, the end result is echo chamber type situation.

I like that idea a lot of the default sorting, as long as there's still other options to sort by. so the default is nothing more than a timeline, and if you want to see the "popular" thoughts you can. kinda like the latest tweets vs regular timeline on twitter.

Downvote is better than moderation imo. Its kind of leveraging the wisdom of the crowd. Free speech depend on this to survive. This has been a central argument in favour of free speech since inception.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nice 7 Jul

Downvote is better than moderation imo. Its kind of leveraging the wisdom of the crowd. Free speech depend on this to survive. This has been a central argument in favour of free speech since inception.

In an ideal world this would be the case. But I think reddit has shown that people will most often upvote and downvote things based on whether they agree with what was said or not. That creates a scenario where the most popular opinion in the subreddit floats to the top and the fringe and challenging ones sink to the bottom. I think it's better to let the activity of a discussion dictate the position of posts rather than brownie points.

Understand completely. Thanks for entertaining the idea and providing your thoughts on it. Love the interaction!

That's a fair concern

The longer the bear market, the longer this should last

Helpfully yes, this will help the platform unironically

I wonder how many here actually know what eternal September means? I would bet an even smaller number of people actually participated in it or saw it happen.

I feel old 🧓

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @Akin 6 Jul

Yeah, I think so too, straight forward to use

Agreed

Its like a curated twitter feed

I think its because you need a few sats to post on SN so more than 90% of the people here are bitcoiners

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @nout 8 Jul

Often it's literally a curated Twitter feed...

I can confirm that this is a positive experience so far. The UI is clean and easy to use with still some room for improvement to make it feel smooth and intuitive. Any excuse to use Lightning is good to me, enjoying less spam and less ego posts here than in Twitter.

I believe that some phone screen aspect ratios don't look great and an app instead of browser would be good to see.

Twitter is a legacy social network.

It doesn't even have native lightning wallets

Oh definitely!

yes and also the discussions are peaceful and intelligent. twitter is fine but bitcoin twitter is a nightmare

Indeed it does, because no one here is chasing followers and clout, we here to discuss. I've seen a few people come here to try the twitter style of posting and they get curb stomped

Great discussions going on here and a lot less cheerleading

Indeed. I check it first every morning.

I just wish there was a mobile app to let me check it from bed too. (Hint hint guys!)

Absolutely, but has more to do with the fact that only Bitcoiners are on here and it has not gone mainstream yet. Though I hope once it does, there will be less spam if there are no free comments

1 sats \ 0 replies \ @kim 10 Jul

I think this is a very good platform idd. Also has an early reddit vibe.

It makes sense, having to pay sats to post is a decent anti-spam mechanism. One thing I noticed about the reply mechanism is it costs more and more sats to keep posting on the same reply level. I did it once out of excitement, wasn't even trying to spam. Another clever feature.

Even if someone loads up on sats and tries to spam, they're giving away precious sats for nonsense. And SN can always do some kind of moving average based on activity to make malicious behaviour even more costly in terms of BTC.

Very impressed with Stacker News, the email newsletter is one of the few newsletters I get that I actually check out. I was already a Bitcoin supporter but this site really got me on the path of LN and what's possible. Podcasting 2.0 also very cool. In general, kudos and respect to @koob for making something cool, old school, highly performant, etc etc. <3 This site always loads very fast and has never crapped out on me, or had strange UX. <3

Signal is better here, but that's also because this community is small. As communities grow in size, they start to have more noise. This happens on every, single social network. In the beginning the site is great, the community is close knit, and people have an actual sense of community. The word gets out, people want to partake in said community, and as a result the community starts to dissolve. Enjoy it while it lasts!

1 sats \ 0 replies \ @Ge 6 Jul

Yes I think all of us can agree on this post!

1 sats \ 0 replies \ @ivan 6 Jul

The benefits of a relatively small community over time it may change but let's continue to be excellent to each other regardless

Yeah man I’m new here but immediately felt it

This does feel like the future. I think there are some systems that will need to be put in place moving forward, but with any innovation it's hard to foresee what will come.

In terms of moderation, I think it would be good to do something along the lines of the "Orange Checkmark" in that users post sats to get "Verified" and through that mechanism allowing the community to enforce moderation.

So for instance, you need to post 100,000 Sats to get verified, and if you break the rules of the forum people can report you. If it is found that you did break the rules, you will be docked sats from your verification. The docked fee could then be split amongst the reporter and the platform in order to fund the moderation at the platform level and incentivize reporting at the user level.

This could be implemented for both the posts and the comments and would likely take care of the vast majority of spam.

Yes: Stacker News > Reddit > Twitter in term of signal to noise, or even trigger ability.

1 sats \ 0 replies \ @pony 6 Jul

of course it has, twitter is trash

4 sats \ 0 replies \ @a 6 Jul

Haha. Twitter is infected with shitcoiners, Ethereum ppl being the worst. The point of Bitcoin is that it is purely an energy-based money -- that's the real innovation. Nothing needs to be "smart" about it. Or at least not the base functionality

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I visit stacker.news when bitcoin twitter feels depressing. Its my secret escape. shhhh..... ;)

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