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How many people actually buy bitcoin 100% non-KYC?

2015 sats \ 54 comments \ @frostdragon 1 Apr bitcoin

Just curious. We have a lot of people who act like KYC is the devil, but I bet that's not actually most of us. Maybe I'm wrong.

I buy KYC bitcoin29.3%

I have never bought KYC bitcoin24.0%

I buy both46.7%

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248 sats \ 3 replies \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

I buy both, just makes sense to have secret sats on the side.

disclaimer I sell Azteco at orangelabel.co so I am biased. Just too easy to not stack for myself.

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

Azteco is good ! Well done.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @joda 2 Apr

Expensive though

... Unless you're running it yourself!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

Didn't even think to add an option for both. Fortunately made it within the edit window.

481 sats \ 36 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

There's a wrong idea pushed into noobs that are two types of bitcoin: "KYC BTC" and "non-KYC BTC".

Guys, please stop saying that stupid thing. There's no such thing as 2 types of bitcoin. If that will exist (on the same network), then Bitcoin cease to exist. is done, kaput.

YES, KYC is evil, but have nothing to do with your BTC you bought. It have to do with your identity used in those exchanges, identity that could be leaked, sold, shared, tracked, used, who know what more... that is a REAL danger.

REMEMBER THIS If you take self custody and if you never sell back your BTC for fiat, on same exchange or other exchanges, NOBODY gives a shit, there's nobody that can came to you and say "hey you bought X amount of BTC from X exchange".... Your answer will always be: "fuck off.. I lost them".

I wrote several guides about how easily you can lose track of any trace of them. By simply swaping onchain <-->LN you can do a lot of movements and absolutely nobody can come back to you. I always said: through a LN channel you can pass through infinite number of sats! But seems that very few understand this aspect and only try to make complex and expensive mental gymnastics...

Important is to make a good coin control and take care of your UTXOs. Start here: https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/be-your-own-bank-en.html

And another thing: START EARNING BTC, not buying it anymore ! Demand to be paid in BTC!

88 sats \ 1 reply \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

Yeah I definitely don't mean to imply that there are two types of bitcoin - I figured it was a given that I'm asking specifically: Do you buy bitcoin from a seller that requires you to verify your identity by providing personal information, or not?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr freebie

All kind of places... vouched by bitcoin community https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/buy-bitcoin-en.html

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Quasianon 2 Apr

THIS

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 1 Apr

Yes, BTCPayServer with an e-commerce store is a good way to get non KYC sats.

0 sats \ 13 replies \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

KYC is a bad frame, we are accepting the enemies frame.

A better frame is Ethical and non ethical bitcoin.

KYC-Free = ethical bitcoin KYC bitcoin = non-ethical bitcoin

Frame matters in meme warfare

101 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 1 Apr

Ethical? When I read that it almost sounds like the person that has this bitcoin is either ethical or not ethical. This seems off and probably not what you mean but that's what it sounds like.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

No, KYC is NON-ETHICAL.

Saying "Ethical Bitcoin" is reframing the narrative to our view, that is rejecting the enemies framing of KYC and KYC-Free. KYC is the enemy's language.

101 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 1 Apr

I agree with you that KYC is the propaganda. I don't think ethical is clear and accurate.

DOXed bitcoin or Surveilled bitcoin would be more clear to me.

In the positive you could say "clean" bitcoin vs No KYC. Normies have no clue what KYC is. I had never even heard of the term until I got into bitcoin and even then I only heard about it from privacy advocates.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

memetics are tough. This is monetary warfare.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @kepford 1 Apr

Agreed.

101 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

KYC-Free = ethical bitcoin KYC bitcoin = non-ethical bitcoin

You are the one making literally their language to matter by segregating in two types of bitcoin.

KYC is bad but have nothing to do with BTC.

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @evanbaer 2 Apr

I've started to refer to kyc-free as anonymous bitcoin

I think DarthCoin is right re: don't use kyc-language to refer to your bitcoin

I feel it is more accurate to refer to kyc bitcoin as non-anonymous bitcoin

Fwiw it's simple now to convert your non-anonymous bitcoin to anonymous:

buy hashrate
mine bitcoin
anonymous bitcoin sent daily to your btc address

You can do this at my project - rigly.io - or miningrigrentals.com or NiceHash

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 2 Apr

You sell hash rate?

I am interested

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @evanbaer 2 Apr

Yup. Check out the mining test drive or fixed price hashrate on Rigly to try it out, then place a bid in the daily auctions.

We’re also looking into creating an over-the-counter market for higher volume hashrate trades.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @evanbaer 2 Apr freebie

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

reject nocoiner orthodoxy.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

Let's say I am sending you now 1000 sats to whatever LN address you want. Please find the UTXO I received from a KYC exchange 7 years ago and I use it to refill my SN account.

Are those sats "non-ethical"? How can you differentiate them from others? YOU CAN'T. There's no way to find back that UTXO. Nobody can do that. If you will be able to differentiate them, then Bitcoin will be dead. Right now dead.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @joerodgers 1 Apr

I am talking about communicating with nocoiners and precoiners who are using "kyc" framing, not the mechanics of chain surveillance, but you make a great point.

Please meme how you want. I will continue to be a karen on twitter and reject "kyc and kycfree" framing in the trenches.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 1 Apr

👍 all the way through.

0 sats \ 16 replies \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

Also - I've asked you this before with no answer - do you get paid in bitcoin?

0 sats \ 15 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

Yes many times I said that I am paid in BTC for many years.

10 sats \ 14 replies \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

Can I ask what you do for a living? Are you freelance? Do you live in a country where bitcoin is more widely accepted? Most people don't have the luxury of getting paid in anything other than the currency of their employer's choice.

11 sats \ 13 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

Can I ask what you do for a living?

OI am retired now. I stopped working in 2019 because I wanted to dedicate all my time to Bitcoin and help people to get onboard. But for many years I am paid directly in BTC. Did you read all my Bitcoin guides? I suggest to do it. Your life will be much easier. https://darth-coin.github.io/

It doesn't matter where are you living. It depends a lot of your knowledge about Bitcoin and how many people around you will get onboard. Patience and knowledge. If you are employed... find something that you can be a freelance. If you cannot change your job now, use Bitwage and be paid in Bitcoin https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/be-paid-in-bitcoin-using-bitwage

Nowadays we have so many way to earn Bitcoin, noobs have no excuse not to do it.

31 sats \ 2 replies \ @Fabs 1 Apr freebie

What would be your best picks in regards to earning btc aside from one's main job?

If you have a guide on that, too, I'd like to read it.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr freebie

Like the mighty LN chad well said:

https://i.postimg.cc/B6vjDQvF/LN-chad-adoption.jpg

There's no "best thing to do to earn BTC". Do whatever you are good at and ask to be paid in BTC. That's all.

Additionally here is a list of job boards (inclusive SN) https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/buy-bitcoin-en.html#job-boards

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 1 Apr

Hm. Then I'll stay put - for now. 😈

Edit: solid list.

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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

Yeah I've dug into your stuff, it's interesting. I still think your seed phrase hidden in an image is a bad security practice, lol

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

You don't have enough practice with wallets to understand how powerful is steganography. If is a bad practice, please break it. You will get 1BTC.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @frostdragon OP 1 Apr

The original image is not uploaded to the internet, but either kept in your cloud or on a physical device. You've already admitted to that in a previous comment, iirc from a previous conversation we've had. Which means that if your cloud is infiltrated by feds or your device is stolen, retrieving the wallet from the image will be a lot easier.

Using something like StegCracker is pretty easy, and there are other methods if that doesn't work. Take it from someone who works in the field.

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Taft 1 Apr

Firstly, I voted for the second option as there was no fourth option stating: I have never bought Bitcoins, only earned them.

Secondly, I have a question for @DarthCoin: When I was unfamiliar with how blockchain works, I used exchanges such as Kraken and Binance to experiment with my sats and transfer them between these exchanges to earn small interest. After realizing the risks, I transferred my sats from these exchanges to a lightning wallet.

Is it possible for any traces to remain on my sats after this transfer? If so, could you provide a simple guide on how to eliminate these traces?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @frostdragon OP 2 Apr

No meaningful traces of you go from lightning back to a separate btc wallet. There’s not a legitimate way to prove who the owner of the second btc wallet is.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 1 Apr

I think very few, due to the knowledge you must obtain beforehand to buy without KYC and on the other hand the level of passivity that people have when it comes to privacy.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @javier 1 Apr

I use Robosats to sell. Very recommended.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 3 Apr

I think we can but from anywhere but make the self custodial and then go to a country where Bitcoin is legal and enjoy your life.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @itsMoro 2 Apr

both. kyc'd for my business treasury, non-kyc for me.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @007 2 Apr

Not enough

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe 2 Apr

I started buying from a Colombian, now buying at Swan Bitcoin because it is 0.99% of fees. I started selling my bitcoins to a friend on request at 0%, p2p fashion, privately. I do it at a loss basically. I am totally opposed to charge 5%, 8% or 10% for selling bitcoins so I prefer to lose money than do it. I am buying back what I sell with KYC so actually lose 2% but it is small amounts. I am hoping my circle of p2p bitcoin friends will grow, now it is just 1.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Deleted10000 2 Apr

Too many happy to take the KYC discount, not realizing the long term implications of registering their stack against their legal identity.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DudeJLebowski 2 Apr

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @030e0dca83 2 Apr

Not kyc is great. In the other hand kyc collectors sometimes collapse and information about you bitcoin disappears

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Krv 1 Apr

I buy KYC then run it the various sites with tor and vps to make the link difficult to prove.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 1 Apr

I have a mix. Gives me options…