The Author of the book "The Black Swan" is on CNBC right now and he went off about how Bitcoin was showing yet again how it isn't worth anything, how it isn't a hedge etc etc. Joe Kernen in return reminded him how he first stated this at $30k and if he had listened to him he "would have lost his ass"! Kernen continued to turn the screws on him over it and challenged him to either buy it or short it and put his money where his mouth was.
At one point the author guy tried to pull use cases with "When was the last time you bought a newspaper with BTC". This guy was just a second hyping up gold instead and sadly Andrew Sorkin saved the author and cut it short cause I know Joe was chopping at the bit to ask him if he bought his newspaper with gold as well!
It goes to show how uneducated people are and Joe really harped on that with everything that BTC offers especially in the digital age. Poor Andrew Sorkin said well we can get rid of it by unplugging the servers... like my man, we would have much larger issues if we did that!
Taleb is the man who inspired a phrase I often repeat now. "There is no amount of intelligence that can't be overcome by arrogance."
Taleb is no dummy. He's a very intelligent man. I have many friends that think so at least... Some of them even dropped bitcoin because of his shift on it a few years ago. Obviously they are appealing to authority and not THINKING and reasoning for themselves. Taleb's arguments fall flat. He's so weak on this subject as compared to many topics he discusses. Its instructive to see this because people that rise to a level of notoriety often fall prey to arrogance and pride. Pride is a destructive force and you don't need to be famous or even smart to be affected by. I struggle with it. It holds me back.
Stay humble, stack sats is something I say and write because I need to work on it every day. You could also say, kill pride and focus on creating value. Taleb is not doing this when he talks about Bitcoin. He's literally not seeking to learn or understand. He doesn't like it. That's fine. But he insists on ranting about it with weak arguments and has no interest in listening to the pro-bitcoin side. Once can make better arguments if you actually learn how bitcoin works. I'm convinced Taleb hasn't even spend 100 hours studying bitcoin.
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97 sats \ 1 reply \ @jp305 6 Aug
Oh man, Taleb was about to get destroyed completely and tried to completely avoid the conversation. Fortunately for him, it was not the topic and it ended shortly after it started!
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Yep! He waded in to deep and Kernen was ready for him to do so but was saved by the bell
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154 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 6 Aug
Wtf is a newspaper?
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Haha, wow that's some hit piece :P
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Your post has more detail. Thanks. I wonder if CNBC will make the video available later.
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I sure hope so cause honestly that is an exchange that can give me a good laugh for a while! I get it might not be something you are interested in or want to buy or trade with and honestly it is your choice! To go after it and crap all over the whole thing after even with the correction you are still almost 100% off and not put any sort of skin in the game is what is wild. If you are so sure then honestly short BTC to kingdom come but actually back what you say!
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Taleb actually said "I don't care if it goes to a million. It's still useless" Joe then yells at him to short bitcoin. I am convinced Taleb's animosity stems from a private feud with Saifedean. Two blowhards in a pissing contest
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100% due to Saifedean. I'm now convinced Taleb believed in bitcoin without doing even 100 hours work. He just likely believed Saif. Then when they had their feud he flipped and it is now personal for him.
He is so full of pride he has a mental block. No interest in learning or even making solid arguments. Its so obvious.
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I remember a buddy of mine sending me a piece written by Taleb supposedly taking down bitcoin... I laughed so many times. My friend bought bitcoin early and sold it all in 2017 at the top. He asked me what I thought of Taleb's arguments. I told him it sounds like someone that hasn't even spent 100 hours studying it.
Bitcoin exposes people in many ways. Not just those of us that use it, but those that oppose it. Taleb is a believer in the systems that run the world today. He's of the same mind as Buffet on money and centralized control. Pretty wild to watch.
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You would think and I know this is crazy sounding but if you are trying to cultivate a following you wouldn't say such stupid stuff about how you do not care if it goes to a million. At the end of the day he is a salesman with his book and his ideas and he defeats these with idiotic comments like this.
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 OP 6 Aug
@Coinsreporter here is a clip of it!
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Thanks!!
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You are the MVP!
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The "price of gold is the price of a nice suit"
One ounce of gold is currently $1979
Designer suits start at $1000
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Taleb's change on Bitcoin in 2021 was much harder to bear than any of the crashes. I remember reading his Bitcoin "black paper" trying to figure out what I'd missed, but instead made me realise how poor his arguments were.
Seeing him repeat the same nonsense years later with that smug look of his reminds me of the loss of him as an important intellect. I can no longer engage with his other views since I now know how dishonest (probably even with himself) he can be when he simply doesn't like the people associated with an idea.
It was a real "kill your heroes" moment.
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His content before 2020 was much better.
One of my favorites is his essay, The intolerant minority
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Everyone like Taleb who says bitcoin is going to zero should short it.
Not only put your money where your mouth is but profit from your knowledge and prescience
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 OP 6 Aug
Agreed! Thats even what Joe told him. Do something don't just pop off comments!
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If I believed any asset would go to zero, I would def short it
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Ouch! I just missed it! Can you guys tell me where to just watch it?
It seems that ya all just had a lot of fun!
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Just watched it, Talebs insincerity is pretty palpable.
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The whole unplug the servers thing is funny to me.
What would happen to the dollar if you were able to destroy all the banking and credit systems. And all the backups. Its insanely unlikely to happen just as it is with bitcoin. But lets say it did.
The impact to the economy and individuals would be catastrophic. The status quo would crumble. I would love to have this discussion with someone. Bitcoin is a digital asset. If you are gonna start using these types of arguments you need to apply them to the current system.
Then when he starts comparing it to gold, they make the mistake of not considering that bitcoin has only existed for a blink compared to gold. If there were a substance that was discovered today like gold but better... it would behave very much like bitcoin does at least on the market. It would take a long time for everyone to be convinced that it was better. The whole idea of a digital world itself is new compared to something like gold.
Gold is a shiny rock. Yet, its properties are why it has been used as a medium of exchange and store of value for thousands of years. When you look at the digital world and why gold isn't used as a medium of exchange you start to see the need for a digitally native money like bitcoin. We already have digital money but when you look at how the digital dollar works there are many problems with it. Bitcoin fixes those problems.
Then you start looking at the problems with the status quo. Centralized control. Weaponization of money. Ability to inflate. Technical issues around fraud. KYC and AML. All these things are solved by bitcoin. The digital fiat system is slow and has many issues that these men are not even addressing in their arguments. They don't care about these issues. The status quo has worked for them.
What this segment shows is a lack of interest in actually forming arguments that have a logical bases. Not comparing tradeoffs. Its all about being right. Winning.
The idea that because bitcoin blocks are found every 10 minutes and this means it is to slow to be used as a medium of exchange is absurd on its face. We use fiat just fine. But we have to use trust and expose our private info to do so. There are many layers to the fiat system. Bank to bank transfers take days to validate. Yet that rarely is mentioned in these discussions. These people never talk about lightning. Even if you think lightning won't work at scale it shows it can be done. If lightning does not scale something else will be developed that will scale.
Bitcoin has solved the hardest problems of scarcity, game theory, and double spend. Those things are rarely even talked about. All these clowns do is talk about "investors" who are very emotional. We have an information problem that leads to market volatility. As humans truly understand what we have here all these arguments against bitcoin die.
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Yeah when the server thing was brought up I was like okay and what if electricity just disappeared it would melt down the entire economy as well. It wasn't even a logical thing to say because of how stupid of a comment it is.
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In a sense, Taleb is right, but only in the sense that all money is useless if you cannot do anything with it.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @zx 6 Aug
When was the last time you bought a newspaper with gold.
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Exactly! If you are going to talk about how great gold is over BTC because you cant do anything with it then tell me when is the last time you spent gold on something lol
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Taleb isn't this dumb. Its his arrogance clouding his ability to speak rationally. There are many men that are hindered by pride. We all are susceptible but the bigger your name gets the easier it is for you to be blinded by pride.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @zx 6 Aug
Back in 2020, I remember hearing him opine on the need for isolation to effectively stop the transmission and prevent global catastrophe. I feel ashamed to have not read Taleb yet, and I'm sure he knows what he's talking about when it comes to stats, math probability. Still, I feel he's unable to understand certain premises.
I always assumed he's overspecialized. Maybe it's more like you say, I don't feel he was very comfortable in this, and who would be, surrounded by media pundits, goading him to admit his previous calls were not exactly on the money.
Maybe it's pride, like you say.
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What was odd to me was this wasn't the first time that he was commenting on BTC to these two people. As Joe Kernen said he had said it was trash when it was at $30k and if he had listened to him when he said that he would have missed the $30k upside.
I assume he is a certain type of trader and within that element he is good. When you have gone and will continue going on these types of shows and make comments again and again that are just dumb I wonder how smart you are given how the economy is significantly changing right now.
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Dave Ramsey is another guy that has this issue. He is no where near to the intellect of Taleb but he has said many foolish things about bitcoin. Only arrogance will allow a person to make bold statements in public about a subject that you know little about. I will give Ramsey this. Recently he has been pressed on Bitcoin and admitted he doesn't have a deep understanding of it and why he has no desire to take the deep dive.
People that are ignorant of a subject can talk about it but they need to acknowledge their lack of knowledge. A massive percentage of people just mimic public figures like these guys. Being a public figure is a big responsibility. It should humble men but it tends to do the opposite. Honestly, fame should scare the crap out of people. Having a platform is massive responsibility.
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Ramsey is soooo full of himself. I feel like if you are starting out on your own his core principles are not the worst thing in the world but as you grow and have to start making bigger and bigger decisions his methods do not work as well.
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Not sure if anyone saw that a lady came on to talk about Treasuries right before Sorkin/Kornen's segment ended and she was asked about crypto and she was super caught off guard. Her comment was that it is behaving like the Nasdaq right now
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Buy his newspaper with gold? ha Gold and bitcoin share so many similarities, they shouldnt be arguing against each other.
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 OP 6 Aug
It was a hilarious argument and Taleb couldn't find a good defense to save his life.
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They are both ways to get out of the fiat rat race, they should be pulling themselves up together.
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