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Maybes of Life

This is a maybe-series post. A post that might start a life-altering experience but I am not going to call it that since I acknowledge the quitter side of me. Life also has its own ways to alter itself, it doesn't need my interference. So let's not start something we never really wanted to keep up anyway; at best only for the looks of it. Let's just go with the flow and be inspired by water. I think it has some things figured out that we can learn from it.
For example, water just exists. It ebbs and flows but it doesn't start writing something on Stacker News with no idea about what except the desire to do something meaningful; just to submit the post in a split-second decision in the end because it took too long again, you lost your motivation one hour ago and wonder if you just wasted your time again:
What was it all for? Was it worth my time?
I think it was for me and I am worth my own time. For example, we can learn that we're alive unlike water.
All of that sounded better in my head so let's just continue.

The Experience of Quitting

It's true, I am kind of a quitter. I like to quit things I like, especially if I excitedly proclaimed after the first few times that I am going to keep doing them forever. One of my earliest memories is the day I joined a soccer club as a kid. After I came home, I told my parents that it was SO MUCH FUN and I will go EVERY time. All I did that day was to sit on a bench for 89 minutes. In the last minute, the trainers must have decided that it was impossible for me to fuck the whole game up in a single minute now (we had a pretty big lead iirc) so I was exchanged in for someone else so I can see at least some action on my first day, I guess.
I didn't realize that it was the last minute so I thought this was the moment to proof prove to the world and myself that I was serious business. I wasn't here to fuck spiders. Being allowed to enter a soccer field while a real match was ongoing must have been the coolest thing that ever happened to me up to then. So cool that I decided that this should become my life-defining moment: standing in the corner of the field, eyes locked on the ball on the other side of the field and walking as if I am prepared for the best attempt from someone of that other side to rainbow-flick / marseille-turn me into oblivion like the next Ronaldinho.
What I didn't know that day was that this would instead become one of few core memories in hindsight. It's also one I cherish: that adrenaline, that anxiety, that pure concentration on a single thing shared by 21 others, how humans generate meaning out of nothing; it was like a glimpse into the many ways life can be experienced, however brief it might actually have been.
I think I didn't even go the next time since I rememberd that one of the trainers was actually quite scary. I think they just spoke too loud for anxious little furball me. That the other kids laughed at me for bringing Coca-Cola instead of water was maybe also related to my faded enthusiasm after thinking through my first experience. They were right to mock me though, it was pretty cringe in hindsight and you can't be too hard with kids as kids are kids, right?

Other Things I Quit

  • running
  • playing guitar (even though I'd say I consciously transitioned to playing piano instead)
  • playing piano (kind of)
  • climbing / bouldering (not accepted the quitting yet)
  • soccer, taekwondo
  • crocheting
  • collecting Diddl sheets
not my collection, just examples for the sheet design from the link
  • collecting friends in a friend book
  • some friends
  • SchülerVZ for Facebook, then Facebook
  • keeping a dream journal to help with lucid dreaming (I still have the journal though)
  • smoking (multiple times)
  • going to school (for a few months)
  • maintaining a status page built with Grafana + Prometheus for my VPN and home network and every device in it and therefore being on the verge of moral decay by plotting when flatmates are home using data from the router but I was able to resist this power of data that I discovered (it felt so weird I didn't even ask for permission to use it)
  • playing CTFs and being an active member of the university CTF team that regularly participates in the DEFCON CTF onsite (I never really was, too much on and off for years)
  • PC gaming because I became a total Linux fanboy and hate Windows with a passion

My Vision of Stacker News

I've actually intended to write about my vision for Stacker News because that sounded cool in the moment. Somehow that resulted in me rambling about quitting. That sounds like I am thinking to quit SN but it's actually about quite the opposite: I am thinking about how to NOT quit something I love doing again because I apparently just don't like routines to the point it's ruining my life.
Something about routines must scare me on a deep level. I mean, I am a programmer and as one I love routines. Such encapsulation, much easy to reason about, stack-smashing fun. But routines in life? That sounds like my life is over. That's it, I will forever do the same things over and over again like a true pure function so I might as well smash my own stack and see what's on the other side of that RET instruction, assuming the universe is written in x86 assembly.
I can't for the hell of it keep a consistent sleep routine even though I know how much happier I am when I routinely see the sun (writing this fully awake at 4am 5am 7am now) or when I get stuff done early in the morning (especially on a routine). But I also hate how it gets old to just have to do that or have to do this. Life is full of all these small routines, it makes you wonder if life is just one big routine. It doesn't help that you can pick which routine you want, it's still a routine in the end. Spiraling down this train of thought, you wonder if free will is just this meme:
The hardest routine trap consists of "you just have to listen to your body". Sometimes, I am convinced that just my body is tired and it's holding me back and most of me knows that it's irrational, dumb and we should definitely listen to our bodies since we're "trapped" inside them and we'll else have to suffer the consequences later but then stubborn, arrogant little me that never grew up, has no intentions of doing so and just has to do SO MANY things it doesn't want takes over and says:
But do we have to do that EVERY time now? Can't you like stop adulting for a few minutes and just HAVE SOME FUN instead? We also HAVE TO have some fun, right?!
Then I get stuck in a "just one more thing"-loop until I am not even tired anymore and going to sleep is now just a question of how fucked up my sleep schedule should be.
It's almost as if I have to regularly experience how good something is by depriving myself of it.
However, I fortunately also notice how it's getting easier and easier to become aware of all these little decisions that seem insignificant in the moments but still consistently lead to significantly worse periods in my life. A pattern of the little kid and what triggers it, how it can be reasoned with, stuff like that is basically emerging (it's about time). It's really nice to be able to shake off the urge to smoke something by simply coughing and getting reminded of how bad I used to cough because of it so we better not start again. Or looking at that cup of iced coffee and feeling like you need to throw up because you can already taste how mind-boggling sweet it is so you lose all desire to actually drink it even though it was something you used to look forward to every day. It feels a bit like reading the code of life and it's indeed x86 assembly. Just a bunch of "if this then that"-s with a few variables in your control. Additionally, you not only see how easy it is to lose a good track in life (which helps with avoidance) but also how easy it is to get back on track.
Maybe that's what growing up is about? How to be responsibly irresponsible?
That sounds cool, I'll write that down.

Oh well, now I rambled a little about my love for routines instead of some vision of SN. But I also wanted to write about how I even got here and appreciating it and what I think how SN might turn out on some interesting time scales. Mhh, maybe most of it another time but here's what I can already share:
When I was in Austin and @MaxAWebster was visiting, he asked me what I think where SN will be in five years (or something like that, I don't remember the exact question). I responded that I really don't know but I hope that Reddit is no more and maybe something about how SN at least lead the way how to make social media suck less? In hindsight, I wished I had a better answer but I am still quite happy with my performance during the conversation since I wasn't as nervous as I can be when I meet new people; I was actually quite relaxed (maybe @MaxAWebster's enthusiastic energy is just too reassuring that you can't mess up talking to him). I also didn't think of it as a VC checking out the first employee of one of the startups they are invested in; it was a very casual and typical water cooler chat (but I was wondering about it in hindsight).
Anyway, back to my "vision": it's simply still being here in 5 years. It's not a very detailed vision since I actually like the openness about it. "Still being here" can mean many things but it definitely means that SN still exists and I am a part of it. At the pace the space we're in is progressing (nostr wasn't really a thing until early last year imo) and considering internal plans to decentralize further (not only going non-custodial for the wallets but everything), it's definitely exciting to think about though. Excitingly enough that I can see myself actually committing to something for so many years (next to the "golden handcuffs").
To make the vision a bit more concrete, I'd say that in 5 years, I'd like to see following things:
  • @k00b doesn't have to fund the rewards with 100k sats each day anymore
  • well-run territories are profitable and no longer an unsustainable "labor of love"
  • there are many interesting territory models, not just one "meta" that gets stale like in games
  • territories really feel like territories like autonomous systems on the internet
  • people don't claim that tags would have been better than territories anymore
  • we've ventured a bit into virtual spaces, for example as an addition to the saloon
  • site is very stable and still easy to contribute to
  • iOS push notifications work
(maybe in this order)
The End
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I’ll be back to post a more composed reply later, but omg I can’t get past the fuck spiders reference! I need to start using it again
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Haha l enjoyed that reference, too.
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The best part of my visit in Australia was me picking up "not here to fuck spiders" and "no worries" and never letting go.
Maybe I'll be the guy who makes this Australian slang popular on SN 👀
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Now I know the back story behind you knowing this slang. It’s cool
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You went to australia, which part? They have excellent accents over there lol
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20 sats \ 8 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
A friend and me planned to drive up the east cost from Sydney to Cairns and then through the Outback down to Adelaide over Burketown but we separated in Ayr which messed up that plan.
They have excellent accents over there lol
They do! I got the chance to stay with the Australian family of the guy that towed my car for a few weeks. The power steering hose broke and he couldn't repair it over the Christmas holidays and saw that I was living out of the car so he invited me to stay with him and his family (the other option was to sleep in the car on the junkyard). That was so nice and much appreciated.
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What kind of car did you take? I know they have a big 4x4 community out there.
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20 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
That's a tough question, it's been 10 years. I think it could have been considered a SUV and it might have been from Toyota.
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A toyota broke down on you? Land cruiser?
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20 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
No, while searching for the model I read here that a Landcruiser is apparently the "holy grail" of backpacker cars in Australia so I think it was definitely not it but very similar shape.
I also found this story from the same blog and that reminded me how I also almost rolled my car in Australia lol.
255 sats \ 3 replies \ @nichro 20 Sep
I can relate with the routine thing. Somehow it was fine when I played games, MMO grinding, or in other activities, programming included. But it's mindless repetition in real life that's bothersome.
More specifically than that I think, it's when you see no potential for variation incoming. If you know it's temporary, or is a small part inside of a outside whole that is not endlessly repetitive, it's easier to cope.
On the topic of quitting, how often do you get that dreaded feeling upon receiving a domain renewal notice? :P
P.s. like your writing style It's got a nice dose of chaos and spontaneity to it, which I can appreciate in the medium. It does read like something conjured up at 5 6 7am
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
I can relate with the routine thing. Somehow it was fine when I played games, MMO grinding, or in other activities, programming included. But it's mindless repetition in real life that's bothersome.
More specifically than that I think, it's when you see no potential for variation incoming. If you know it's temporary, or is a small part inside of a outside whole that is not endlessly repetitive, it's easier to cope.
Yes, I agree. I actually described this feeling in the context of freedom and options before in #674266:
I realized that quantifying freedom as merely a set of available options was wrong. For me, freedom isn’t about having many options; it’s about not falling victim to a daily routine in which I feel trapped and become unaware of my freedom. Freedom is a state of mind, and I believe that travelling the world is one option to insulate my mind from unfree thoughts.

On the topic of quitting, how often do you get that dreaded feeling upon receiving a domain renewal notice? :P
Mhh, I've been locked out of my password manager at least once because of it already, so now I check which domain needs to be renewed and then I do it immediately if it's important since I usually only need to run a script.
But if it's really just "running a script", I would have automated it already but I still haven't so I guess it's not really.
So I continue this cycle every 3 months. That's maybe the most annoying period for a programmer: juuust not often enough to automate it but still often enough to be feel like you're constantly annoyed by it. But juuust not enough to automate it and make the pain go away forever.
lol, my certificate for dev.ekzy.is actually expired and I didn't notice and I used that domain to show you what I wrote before above. Did you go through my previous posts and were hinting at that domain? 👀 I renewed it now.

P.s. like your writing style It's got a nice dose of chaos and spontaneity to it, which I can appreciate in the medium. It does read like something conjured up at 5 6 7am
lol, I appreciate it! That's the style I am going for
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33 sats \ 1 reply \ @nichro 20 Sep
Did you go through my previous posts and were hinting at that domain? 👀 I renewed it now.
Haha nah. I meant it more in the sense that a lot of devs (also guilty) seem to commiserate on the experience of buying cheap domains off the cuff for app, project ideas or eureka moments and then... The renewal coming a year later as a reminder that it didn't go anywhere.
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I fortunately mostly use subdomains for any personal projects, haha
But I do have a weakness for cool domain hacks like delphi.market when I actually intend to ship something for other people, yes.
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120 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 20 Sep
Add me to the Fuck Spiders fan club. It's good having this version of you back for more fun. I'm really intrigued by you predicting territories being decentralized and becoming autonomous systems beyond the wallet thing. @k00b has mentioned this at times too. Can you lay out the vision? Specifically what that would look like?
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43 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
Can you lay out the vision? Specifically what that would look like?
There really isn't much to say about it yet. It's just something that we occasionally talk about with big gaps in between. It's mostly simply mentioned as the next big thing after the wallet transition is done. 👀
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I think this piece is reminiscent of other pieces I have read from you this year - the big picture ones where you ponder how your life should be going. It seems that you are questioning the nitty gritty of the mundane quotidian existence too xP.
It’s great to shake up from your routine once in a while. I’m going out for supper at 10.30pm with a junior high school classmate tomorrow. It’s the second time I am going out for a social night this year. Sleep can wait!
I also hope to be at SN in five years’ time. How will my writing have evolved? Let’s follow the flow of water 💦
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72 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek OP 21 Sep
I think this piece is reminiscent of other pieces I have read from you this year - the big picture ones where you ponder how your life should be going. It seems that you are questioning the nitty gritty of the mundane quotidian existence too xP.
Yes, it also felt similar but I would actually like to write less in this stream of consciousness style. It makes it easy to write but I feel like I'm stagnating if I keep writing like this.
I'd also like to write less about myself, the world has more topics to offer than just me, lol
It’s great to shake up from your routine once in a while. I’m going out for supper at 10.30pm with a junior high school classmate tomorrow. It’s the second time I am going out for a social night this year. Sleep can wait!
Sounds exciting, hope you had fun! When was the last time you met him? Did you both change a lot?
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Thanks for asking! I had loads of fun. The last time I saw him was this May, so it doesn’t feel that long. But yesterday night was the first time we drank together in our 30 years of friendship. Actually he just drank one glass of beer while I finished the rest of the jug - but I think men reach another level in their friendship when they drink together. It loosens one’s inhibitions and you share things you normally wouldn’t.
Also yesterday was a trying n gruelling day handling my toddler, so I was just grateful to get out of the house hahaha. Thank you, wife!
I feel the need to improve my writing too. Trying to incorporate some sort of learning while the real work gets done so that I am more intentional about my word choices. Are you trying to integrate some sort of deliberate practice into your writing too?
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96 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 11 Oct
I just randomly visited this post again and realized I never submitted this reply, sorry
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but I think men reach another level in their friendship when they drink together
Oh, definitely! That realization lead to a quite depressing period in my life though: Why do we need alcohol as a social lubricant? I then somehow decided that the social acceptance of alcohol is the root of all evil for a few months until a friend brought me back to my senses. I was just really pissed at drug politics and shouldn’t blame people who just like to enjoy drinks. I do wonder though:
It loosens one’s inhibitions and you share things you normally wouldn’t.
What is it that inhibits us? What are we worried about?
Are you trying to integrate some sort of deliberate practice into your writing too?
Mhh, not really structured but I do tend to distinguish different styles of writing now and am more conscious about how I write.
So I think my practice is just being more aware of the ways you can write something.
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I think it’s also cool to reply to a post belatedly because some time will have passed since then, and new developments might have taken place.
Good question, and I was mulling over it yesterday. I think I can only speak for myself personally. I am rather open in regard to divulging my life; some will say that I often overshare haha. But I think what alcohol does is that it helps me to unlock those things I normally won’t think about and express those inchoate feelings into words. Not that I’m consciously trying to suppress anything. It’s just that in the tumult of daily life, there are some truths that I don’t have the inclination to uncover. During a social night, where everyone is half drunk and present in the moment, it affords a chance for us to loosen our tongues.
It’s funny that you replied now, because I have been doing something different these 1-2 weeks. I now record down new vocabulary words on Obsidian and make it a point to use them. inchoate and tumult are two such examples haha. It’s my way of incorporating deliberate practice into my life so that I can experience some growth!
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100k base reward pool from stackers should be coming from sponsors now not 5 years from now.
Minimum 1 week sponsorship, maximum 1 month.
Low hanging fruit:
  • bitcoin pods
  • conferences
  • financial services (swan, river, unchained)
  • book releases
  • new product launches
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50 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek OP 21 Sep
now not 5 years from now.
Yes, 5 years is a long time but I wanted to say that somewhere between now and 5 years the rewards should be mostly made up of fees and not of selfless, unsustainable donations. Similar to how bitcoin mining rewards are currently more subsidy (99%) than fees (1%), see block 862286.
I think paying 700k sats for an ad at the top for a week is not a good deal yet. Feels like 50% is still a donation but I haven't run any numbers on how useful ads on SN are for other companies.
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Why do you think it is not a good deal? How many visits does the leaderboard page get per day? How many unique visits?
I think it is pretty cheap marketing especially for bitcoin related products and services. Captive audience.
You are probably paying 10x what you would per impressions say on social media but it’s static on page not people scrolling by and you are advertising to your direct target audience.
Even if you can only get 50k a day. Thats still better than 0.
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50 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek OP 21 Sep
Why do you think it is not a good deal? How many visits does the leaderboard page get per day? How many unique visits?
It seems expensive but I know I am lacking knowledge to really tell
frontpage: ~3k unique visits per day
rewards page: ~75 unique visits per day
I think it is pretty cheap marketing especially for bitcoin related products and services. Captive audience.
You are probably paying 10x what you would per impressions say on social media but it’s static on page not people scrolling by and you are advertising to your direct target audience.
Mhh, captive audience and that it's static are very good points! It's not just a random annoying ad most have blocked or just scroll by. On SN, you can even ask questions etc.
Even if you can only get 50k a day. Thats still better than 0.
Mhh yes. The boost changes now make ads more competitive though so it might even be harder now to give sponsors a real deal. You could get away with 100k for 30 days if no one else bids more within that period, but if someone does, then they replace you. If they picked a different territory, you would still be pinned at the top in the territory though.
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120 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 21 Sep
I thought rewards page visits would be much higher. 75 unique visits is not enough for 100k sats. I thought it might be 1000 or more.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek OP 21 Sep
Oh, I've been mixing sponsors as in "entities who use boost to have their post pinned" vs sponsors who actually have their name above the rewards.
You're right, the last thing is still possible and I think we actually also showed them on the front page as a banner. We did that when bitcoin++ was a sponsor iirc.
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I like routines, but when I have a good opportunity I like to break them. I'm with you on the wish list for the next five years. Just one question, why is x64 for 64 bit and x86 for 32?
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75 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek OP 20 Sep
That's a good question that I can't really answer myself well. It's mostly for historical reasons. However, here's my bad summary anyway:
x86 was named after the Intel 8086 microprocessor since it introduced x86. The 8086 only supported 16-bit but Intel released another microprocessor that ran a 32-bit instruction set. That one also ended with 86 like many others so x86 became the most common family of 32-bit instruction sets out there.
Later, AMD extended x86 to support 64 bits and called it x86-64 / AMD64. That somehow became synonymous with x64 or AMD64, maybe because of Microsoft:
Microsoft and Sun Microsystems/Oracle also use term "x64", while many Linux distributions, and the BSDs also use the "amd64" term. Microsoft Windows, for example, designates its 32-bit versions as "x86" and 64-bit versions as "x64", while installation files of 64-bit Windows versions are required to be placed into a directory called "AMD64".
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I hope that Reddit is no more and maybe something about how SN at least lead the way how to make social media suck less
What about ~oracle?
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I might actually encourage you to lean into your instincts, rather than fighting them and beating yourself up about not doing things the way you should have. You're sufficiently self aware to course correct if things are becoming a problem (at least it sounds like it).
There's a lot of peace to be had in accepting that you are who you are.
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64 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek OP 21 Sep
I've gotten better at not kicking myself when I am down and dwell on the past, I just have a massive problem with consistency even though I know consistency is key.
There's a lot of peace to be had in accepting that you are who you are.
Yes, once you're satisfied with who you are 👀
I'll show myself out
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I know consistency is key.
For what?
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29 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 21 Sep
For becoming good at something 👀
I think I see where this is going
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I think I see where this is going
I'll let you get there on your own, then.
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Don’t be a flasher
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I havent seen you make a post in a while that wasnt 100% SN. Everyone has a lot of things they have quit. You need 10,000 hours to become an expert at something. Things tske time to develop!
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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 20 Sep
I wrote six unrelated to SN (including this one) this month though :(
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Maybe l just miss them? They probably make it on to the hot page quickly.
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Great article! Really like the way you narrated everything about your life. While reading, it felt like we know each other.
Tqlking about your SN vision, I'm not too optimistic. I even suspect he'll have to fund the reward pool forever. The progress of SN is really very slow. It's been 3 years but SN doesn't have any substantial user base from India, China or nearby countries says it all.
When you look at any other social media and sites like SN, they grew exponentially only when they gained momentum in Asia.
I don't know if this means anything, please take it as my ignorance if I'm missing on facts. May be there are 1000s of Stackers from India.
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While reading, it felt like we know each other.
Wow, cool, thanks, I consider this a pretty big compliment! I like when that happens for me when I am reading something from someone.
It's been 3 years but SN doesn't have any substantial user base from India, China or nearby countries says it all.
Was that the case for the first 3 years of other social networks that became popular?
When you look at any other social media and sites like SN, they grew exponentially only when they gained momentum in Asia.
I did not know that, do you have sources for that?
I don't know if this means anything, please take it as my ignorance if I'm missing on facts. May be there are 1000s of Stackers from India.
We used to have such statistics public but since the service we used can't exclude profile page visits, it was too easy to learn where individual stackers are from using these profile stats.
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94 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 20 Sep
Oh @ek'kie, where would we be without you!
You're one of the load-bearing pillars of Stackers.News - In more than one regard - and a proud owner of one of the very scarce places in my heart.
Your's truly,
-Fabs.

Hail @ek! Hail @ek! Hail @ek!

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50 sats \ 1 reply \ @Golu 21 Sep
Wow! What a nice article! I wish all the best for everything you wish for.
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Thank you!
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As you said, you definitely have to be little precise. You could cut this in pieces, may be. It will make two or three posts at least.
I'm excited to know that you intend to make Territories autonomous. But, how you guys gonna do it, thinking of this, is even more exciting.
But overall really worth the read. Looking forward to read more from you.
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iOS push notifications work
Big sad lol
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 21 Sep
we might actually have to release an app to fix that
but next try will be to use native safari push notifications first
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I’m not sure I’ve heard of native safari push notifications. Let me know when it’s available and I can test it out!
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