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@alby has COMPLETELY ripped off Fountain's Podcaster Guide - https://fountain.fm/podcaster-guide
Fountain's Podcaster Guide published 18th August - https://twitter.com/fountain_app/status/1560362445805436930
Alby's guide with the EXACT same format, content, and case studies, even WORD FOR WORD copy - https://guides.getalby.com/podcaster-guide/10.-be-creative-and-experiment
This is really messed up as we spent a lot of time and effort on this guide. I wouldn't have expected this kind of behaviour from another company in the Bitcoin space...
As @alby's is published on GitBook I challenge them to make it open source so we can see the dates you wrote it.
MESSED UP!
If @Alby didn't get permission to do this, I would be very disappointed
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Wow...
Looks like they took it down.
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Nothing wrong with syndicating content if you reference the original as an SEO this happens all the time, normally search engines pick up the publishing date and attribute it to the correct site, but what I normally do is reach out to the team of that site with an email and ask them to refernce the orginal
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"Oh my! I posted information publicly and someone else reposted it! MESSED UP!"
SMH. Information is FREE! You should be happy since more people will likely get exposed to this information. You should be flattered that another company couldn't have said it better themselves.
If you're writing guides for personal gain, you're doing it wrong.
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Regardless of the ancap anti-intellectual-property position on this topic, its still rude to not either acknowledge where its from or to ask permission beforehand. You can say they are within their rights to do whatever with 'freely available' information, and you can also say its fully within your right to piss on the street next to the car door where your neighbor steps to get into his car. I'm personally prone to give @Alby a pass on this oversight as I doubt plagiarism was intentional but its acceptable for the authors to point it out. Not everything is free to copy and use as you see fit even if its freely available. Even GPL takes advantage of this fact, your license is restricted to certain use-cases and this right is granted only by the original author.
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Not everything is free to copy and use as you see fit even if its freely available.
You're right. Not all information is free. There's an artificial cost imposed by the state's threat of violence or extortion from lawsuits. To use the tools of the state for information control is antithetical to bitcoin. Even wishing to be attributed is ego or profit driven.
No one cares who made the meme. If the meme has a watermark, it doesn't reach as far.
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One should not conflate fraudulent representation of creative production and a copyright claim. The original poster has not made any copyright claim, or threatened any legal action. It seems perfectly reasonable, and polite, to call plagiarism/fraud out in public.
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There are implied free-use licenses, such as those posted to a bullettan board anonymously and there are implied attribution licenses, such as text posted under an explicit authorship such as a tweet from a blue-checkmark. Then there are explicit licenses, such as those posted to a website with a copyright posting. To claim because the government has a law against a thing, therefore property rights of the author originate from the government is a red herring. The government has laws against many things, some preserve property rights, and others grant patent and monopoly. You can't conflate all of these things simply because there are laws around them. I believe there is such a thing as intellectual property and that property is retained through a traceable chain of an agreement known as license. I've heard lots of legal opinions and philosophical arguments for and against intellectual property but none of it passes the smell test. I've heard the homesteading argument, the defensibility argument, the enforcability argument and countless others for and against property rights around original works, but these all are on a weak foundation. Since a person wouldn't otherwise create a work if he retained no rights for his efforts, a free society would require the author retain the rights presumed which lead the work to come into being. To claim the opposite is to preserve one class work as exclusively for the common good. Under such a regime of no property rights for an intellectual pursuit we would undoubtedly eventually become culturally impoverished.
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If you're writing guides for personal gain, you're doing it wrong.
THIS!
I write also guides for normies, nocoiners, pre-coiners, bitcoiners etc, but I write them to educate people into Bitcoin, not to gain something. I also encourage many others to use my guides, copy them, translate them in other languages. I don't care if are copied if the result is the same: Bitcoin adoption.
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attribution has so much more to it than "personal gain" if you don't value it, kudos. Some of us do.
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Another reason to crave attribution: ego. "This information is MINE only my genius brain is allowed to have this thought" not a great look IMO.
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yes, but say you wanted to follow up with the author to further engage on their content?
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Hey bumi from Alby here. You can follow the conversation over at mastodon: https://podcastindex.social/@merryoscar/109025890806267379
this for sure is fucked up and wrong. everyone who knows Alby knows that we are all about collaboration and interoperability (I mean we completely work in the open and everything can be reviewed etc.). We very much belief that lightning can only win with collaboration, interoperability and when we support each other. And you can see that in all our work.
Here it seems we for sure f*cked up. We published a guide to make it easier for podcasters to get on lightning and as it turns out parts of that have been used from Fountain without attribution. No matter how little it was, that's a no-go and attribution is a must. I was not aware of that, and did not do the required review to know what is published in the name of Alby. Until I could review this I have taken it offline (if somebody wants to see it and verify it, let me know).
Those are now only words, and words mean nothing, but I hope that our commitment to openness and collaboration in our past actions speak louder for itself.
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Thanks @Alby Bumi for this. Will check out the links.
Will you consider an AMA here on SN? I found the AMA's quite useful in getting to understand the culture of the platforms, much more effective than on Twitter.
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Thanks for apologising bumi - I appreciate that this was a mistake and don't hold a grudge.
Looking forward to collaborating more with alby in the future.
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Rather than denounce the copy they should be proud that they used your guide for inspiration.
Knowledge should be shared, if it bothers you, you could have written to them privately. I think it's the best way to fix things.
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It wasn't used for inspiration - it's a word for word copy and paste.
If they had used it as inspiration and built on top of it by adding something new I would be commending them for it and sharing it.
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They did add something new. It's being served from the getalby.com domain. Resiliency of the information just doubled. Pretty big value add IMO. Some of the best information out there is freely available from hundreds of domains. i.e. the BTC whitepaper.
Congrats on getting copied!
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They should have linked to the guide instead. Interested in X, here's an amazing write-up. Doesn't screw over someone for SEO, isn't stealing, and gives credit where it is due.
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Hi Jared, happy to see we agree on that.
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Lol. You know something works well when it gets ripped off. Fountain is great but SN is 10x better.
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