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Darthcoin made a post about how SN should remove rewards and leaderboards and let people pay. I wonder how many of you were commenting and posting for free? Obviously, you all were paying for posting and commenting, which is why this platform was created.
Now he thinks he owns this platform and will decide how it should be run. SN is a platform, but it’s different from Reddit, X, Facebook, Twitch, Threads, Bluesky, etc. This is a pay-to-post platform as well as an earning one too because you get zapped. You can either use them to zap others or make posts (which is what most people are doing). Did you ever read the old tweets from Stacker News when they were launched? They talked about how many sats users had earned, and it’s clear they want to grow their user base which every platform needs to survive. Darth wants to hit the main nerve of SN which makes users happy and keeps them posting. Without it, people will move to Nostr or they might see less engagement too. Here's what k00b's bio says on X "Reddit gives you upvotes. We give you bitcoin."
Now he’ll cry, “Assmilkers are getting sats!” But that’s definitely not how rewards work. You can check comments on his post about removing rewards. Undisciplined who didn't supported it #796250 he also told "They are planning to decentralize the rewards, with each territory having its own. That would do a lot of what you want, without taking away something that is fundamental to how SN functions", Desertdave "like the idea of it all being the same as it is but no leaderboard to look at, comparing ourselves to each other. Then it would be a surprise each day what the rewards were. The rewards help motivate me to want to put out posts each day. Maybe I am an ass-milker. 🤷‍♂️ And I am definitely clueless so this probably isn't a topic I am qualified to share on. That's how I feel though." (I wonder now he might get mad at them too) and many more people who simply disagreed to his "Open Proposal". The main issue is he doesn’t want SN to grow its user base, unlike @Desertdave, who supports introducing new users to Bitcoin through SN. It’s simple: if you don’t like certain content, just downzap it and move on. There’s no need to harass people with disgusting memes and demeaning them
It’s clear that SN is a platform that needs a strong user base, and rewards are key to that. Even k00b and ek have signaled that the rewards program will be improved. So let’s focus on building this community instead of tearing it.
I love the rewards. It motivates me in a positive way. I trust that it's only going to improve. I have faith in the builders @k00b @ek, and the rest. I have no fear of scammers and "ass-milkers". It will work itself out. I have faith in stackers. No need to gatekeep. Isn't that the reason we love Bitcoin and platforms that run on Bitcoin, to be free and open. Let the scammers scam and the milkers milk. It won't last for them. Bitcoin has a way if working these things out. Incentives work. Let the community decide. I am also clueless about how a lot of this works so I don't know what is best. Leaderboard or not, I like where we are headed here. Thank you stackers. Keep it up.
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It won't last for them
This has also been my reason for not getting too worked up about any of these things.
We have lots of tools already to deal with this stuff and they can always tweak the rewards system if something gets out of control.
k00b has described the rewards system as something like "Get paid for doing things that are good for Stacker News" and that is pretty much how it works.
The real issue is that Darth doesn't like most of the new stackers and hates the kinds of things they're interested in. He can't see that these are just differences of subjective preferences, so he lashes out and ascribes ulterior motives.
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I agree. And personally I want to see as many new people here as possible. If they want to share about shitcoins, so be it. It won't be popular for long, if at all. While I am a bitcoiner through and through, i find Bitcoin content boring. I am not a developer, and I trust that work to other people. There is a lot more to sharing human experience than just talking about Bitcoin and citadels. I am here to see all ideas flow as freely as possible. That is my future..free and open. Incentives and the community will take care of bad actors. I want to see so many more territories of all types. I am tired of the general public thinking bitcoiners are a bunch of jerks. I see it on their face every time I bring it up. Bitcoin is for everyone, not just coders and preppers. It's okay to have a little faith and let the future come to us. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Let the cards fall where they may.
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The real issue is that Darth doesn't like most of the new stackers and hates the kinds of things they're interested in. He can't see that these are just differences of subjective preferences, so he lashes out and ascribes ulterior motives.
Exactly!
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The real issue is that Darth doesn't like most of the new stackers and hates the kinds of things they're interested in. He can't see that these are just differences of subjective preferences, so he lashes out and ascribes ulterior motives.
I agree 100%. By doing so he's harming SN more than he does good with his guides. He started hating me when I confronted him for his bullying newcomers on their bio.
Why can't he accept that there are 99.99999% people in the world who're not Bitcoiners either at all or not the way he wants them to be?
I'm also very new to Bitcoin without so much of technical knowledge. I knew I could write and I had a dream to be a journalist but I could only become a teacher. It was only in 2019 I came in contact with Bitcoin and due to not having proper knowledge, I treated Bitcoin like stocks, I accept. At one stage, I even had a few shitcoins (who didn't have?). But from 2021, I've been holding on Bitcoin and just stacking more and more. I just don't like that you gotta be technically sound to be called a true Bitcoiner. I like things to be so easy that even a dumb/noob can understand them.
Are my views of that a shitcoiner's? Or, while accusing me as one, he means that he has access to my wallet/wallets?
I don't know why he's so full of hatred? But I'm ready to leave SN if it means only a 'Bitcointalk' which he wants it to be. If it's not, he needs to be stopped bullying newcomers and other Stackers.
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I am not technical either I don't use stacker to talk about Bitcoin. I want it to be for everyone. I think attitudes like darths is why people find Bitcoin so unapproachable. It is a problem. The look from the outside isn't great.
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No I do not like liars, shitcoiners, assmilkers, idiots, shitGPT-ers to come on SN and fill it with noise and garbage, meanwhile is profiting from others sats.
I will repeat: remove the leaderboard and the daily rewards and let's see then what they will post. But only sick minds will think that I want to destroy SN...
I must say to you again: don't play with shit... you will smell like shit too.
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I can't speak for anyone else, nor do I want to...
But sending and receiving sats is what makes Stacker News (and Bitcoin) great. Every 'article' I've written I've fully expected some people to agree with... and others to disagree with and that's what makes Bitcoin great. But I've never written an article to 'earn sats' give me a break. Instead I write because SN is a great forum and a homebase for Bitcoin 'out in the wild' at least as closely as it can approximate.
It's a "third place" for Bitcoiners... when they're not at work (where noone knows about Bitcoin) or at home (when I introduced Bitcoin to family and they were like ???). SN is a place to 'hang out' and that's all. I've learned a lot being here, while also disagreeing with some of the takes here but that's natural.
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I know, you MUST say it. You seem to be unable to communicate a thought to me without throwing an insult in the mix. That is your ego buddy. Take a look. It's NOT necessary. You might find people listen to you better if you left out the petty jabs. How would you describe an idiot? It seems it is probably just people who have different views than you. What is an idiot to you?
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Here is very simple explained how they fool you...
maybe someday you will understand this meme...
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Never does he answer my questions.. no room for discussion with Darth. It must be tough being right all the time. Thats how people have heart attacks. Take care of yourself.
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You are still too blind to see the truth.
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I don't doubt your intentions. You clearly care about SN. You're not alone in that, though.
Whether you want to or not, getting rid of the rewards system would destroy stacker news.
Nothing you've described as a problem requires that as a solution.
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I'm confused... why would we want to get of Sats rewards? People get rewarded for valuable contributions, write-ups, and reviews..
And they also receive small 'rewards' for interesting comments or memes. The sats flow. And that would be replaced with ?
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It would just be replaced with hostile gatekeeping bullshit, as far as I can tell.
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Good luck swimming in the assmilkers shit-pool
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Exactly! We don't need gatekeepers here; if he's so bothered, he can create his own SN. It's obvious that rewards will be improved, as hinted by ek and k00b.
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Come on guys, it's fine that you don't like the proposal, it's okay that you don't like darth criticizing you, but saying that he wants to destroy stacker news when he has done more for SN (and bitcoin) than all of us together, is just untrue and petty. Let's not lose sight of our enemies, it's obvious that darth is an ally of SN, wanting to keep shitcoiners away from such a cool tool as bitcoin, he knows they are going to use it against the sn spirit (bitcoin) just in favor of shitcoinery, nothing else is more
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I agree that he wants what is best for stacker. And he has a valid perspective. I also think he is blinded by his ego. He wants to be right more than he wants to have an actual discussion. We would all probably be more effective in our communication if we left out names and specific instances I'm our discussions. I have work to do on this.
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I'm sick of seeing this squabbling so I'm going to exercise my ability to down zap every time I see this stuff. Happy stacking.
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I'm going to help fund your downzap reserve.
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Me too. Take some sats, good sir.
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Do you think we should have a rewards pool and a leaderboard? Seems like a good discussion to have. And you didn't even have to click on it. You say you are sick of it and then posted a comment, why?
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I think it's a great discussion to have that's completely lost in this little pissing match.
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Darth doesn't have discussion. He tells people how it is so this is how that goes..He invites this on himself. I agree that ego comes in and it makes it harder to discuss..I would prefer less drama but here we are..I'm going to do my best to leave names out in the future. The drama can be alluring.
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This is what he is. He feels entertained insulting others.
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Have you tried ignoring him? I know he's probably the only one replying sometimes so it can be tempting to engage but since he isn't really replying to you, just getting his kicks in with insults, maybe ignoring him is easier? But I see how that's not really good enough because noobs are going to engage with him and get trolled by him which is bad for the site
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It's definitely a good idea. I often do. There is also a side of me that feels protective over people who are new here and are put off by him so sometimes I want to get involved. I want stacker to invite new people in. And overall in Bitcoin culture, I don't find the toxic maxi vibe to helpful in onboarding. Bitcoin has a bad rap thanks in large part to this type of this behavior. He doesn't hurt my feelings in the slightest. I am way past that. It's like a bully in school. At some point I would want to get involved to stick up for someone who isn't finding their own voice. But I see that ignoring him is the best for the most part.
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Yeah. I appreciate his work with the guides and helping people learn technical things. And I have learned many times over to 'kill my heroes'. Trust in myself. And there are some people that put him on a pedestal. I just want to be a positive force here and it's a tricky balance. 👀
Darth also doesn't run this site. I've yet to see k00b or kek jump into one of these discussions, so what do you guys think is going to get resolved?
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That's because they are working. I am sure they are observing though. Why would they get involved in the muck. They have great intentions and they will do whats best for the community as a whole. I know this because I feel it. Darth doesn't run it but he thinks he can control things. When we seek to control, we lose ourselves and all control. He is a self proclaimed gatekeeper. Very ego driven in my view. That's not going to work for him long term.
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Darth has been here longer than any of us, and presumably has been Darth the entire time. I've seen him get into it with k00b the same way he gets into it with everyone else. I'm fairly positive Darth is going to Darth regardless of what anyone would like to see happen.
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I bet you are right. And it's good that he is here overall. I think he helps a lot of people. And I also am going to be me and speak my truth in my way. I'm working on not making stuff so personal..I have work to do.
You have the right to do so! Happy stacking
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The SN team raised millions of american-flavored fiat dollars to pay devs and users (never forget, rewards is a marketing expense).
3 years later, SN still has less than 100 daily active users
So clearly, sweetening the rewards with investor money isn't working.
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125 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 5 Dec
We’re around 250/day off of 500/day (possibly 1k/day) at points, if we’re talking spenders, it might be even worse without daily rewards, and we only raised 1.55 millionS of fiat dollars.
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QED
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This post and the majority of it's comments seem ironically, or perhaps perversely, to be an example of the behaviour described here - #796267
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1021 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 5 Dec
y'all need to touch some grass
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Oh, I'm touching earth plenty. Maybe not grass so much. I hear you though.
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What!
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People are realizing that we don’t have to tolerate abuse, all thanks to the SN community!
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Right. This is a great example how to deal with it. It'd be great if we have power to straightaway oust an abuser. SN is great community. Anyone who abuses makes it look dirty. They should be punished.
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Thank you!
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Can you get it why he's whinning about rewards so much when these aren't his sats?
The real problem is that his assmilking days are over. He can pretend as hard as he can but I know somewhere down below he's a pain in his own ass.
What he intends with SN is to make it a 'Bitcointalk' where anything else than Bitcoin discussion can't take place. He's a hardcore Bitcoiner so are many others but he's like 'hey, you talk about music and sports, you're a shitcoiner.' He should first realise that SN isn't 'Bitcointalk' and will never be. If he wants a Bitcoin only thing, why don't he remain in ~Bitcoin or ~bitcoin_beginners? Why does he come to other territories and respond?
There are many such questions that he'll ignore and call others stuff that he himself is... The biggest shitcoiner and assmilker.
Now he won't reply logically but will repeat his nonsense.
By doing so, he deliberately trying to destroy SN, but what will be gain? Maybe his ego will satisfy!
But that's not gonna happen because he'll not last here forever. He's just too sick! Ignore him. I repeat ignore him.
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SN must branch out to other topics. Games, movies, science, politics, books, random news everything should have its own branch.
That way people can just come here to 'hang out' and have a good time. Hell I'm at a bar drinking and SN is my socialization! People get tired of Bitcoin one day it will just be normal and everywhere so ****
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It's already branched out. You just need to manually select your branch from the top.
Branch out will be automated when the territories will be decentralized, I guess.
The problem is that one person is creating all this nuisance just to get more rewards but he's blaming others because he can't do it.
Why would I blame others if I don't have my personal interest?
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I stopped using SN because of him. Maybe if there was an option to block him and other abusive trolls from seeing my posts and comments, I would return. Muting him doesn't do any good when I can see "reply from someone you muted" after every post/comment. I refuse to tolerate abuse from faceless cowards on the internet.
What else would you expect from a Sith? I've told him before, Bitcoin takes all types.
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I would like to see a post that argues for the reasons why the rewards pool is a pro for stacker news, without mentioning individuals. I am not at all qualified to do so, but I think it would be better to discuss this topic without bringing personal feelings into the conversation. I know I have been guilty of this as well in a sense. I was also trying to show that there are more than one way to look at people. People aren't good or bad, but multifaceted. And while I was really talking about playing a victim, I made it personal. I will aim to be better about not making things personal in the future.
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Look at all the value he brings, both in content (guides, support, instructions) and perspective. Look at this discussion. Is it not worthwhile? I love this platform and the open sharing for perspectives and ideas. Don't we all grow? I believe we especially grow from dissonance.
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Where do the downzap sats go if we have no rewards pool? I have experienced it more than once, where an individual with deep pockets and a good trust score is able to make my post less visible. It doesn't happen often because I am never looking to offend someone. But sometimes it does happen.. I am cool with it because it goes to the rewards pool, right? And that is for the greater good of stacker news. I can live with that and I think having downzaps is a great way for us to let the community self moderate. What happens with those sats if there is no rewards pool?
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I don't know but my posts keep very low under 'top' even after they have been zapped relatively much more.
I'm sure it's not because of downzapping but because top value Stackers don't zap my posts. (I'm only talking about Cricket posts and the Daily Zap).
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There are some users here that have openly proclaimed that they spend many sats downzapping to make sure certain things get hushed. I know I have experienced this. And if someone has a personal vendetta.... It kind of sucks but what can we do? I think it will all work out. Keep sharing.
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I really don't care about downzapping and I've never done it. I'll also not do it unless there's some scammer in the comments.
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Yeah. I use it VERY sparingly. But there are people who take things personally and are able and willing to misuse the feature in my opinion. But overtime, that backfires. Because if you make something that 99% of people like and there is one big downzap, it hurts their trust.
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In my case, it'll only backfire if someone DZ my Cricket post. Haha. Have you seen engagement there? Almost always 40 50 comments on each post. They don't go there and call me names. They call me everywhere else.
I don't think we should even give DC so much attention. I know why he always creates controversy out of nothing. There are two reasons. One that he wants to remain relevant and dominant here. Second, these Iong threads only get him up the ranks and he knows his NPCs and sockpuppet accounts will get something to praise him for his nonsense.
Ignore him.
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I agree. I am still learning to handle my own ego and emotional impulses. That is awesome that you found something that works great for you. Congrats.. I appreciate your presence here. I think you were involved the best first time I pushed the DC button. Good times.
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All of us have to realise that he's creating all this nuisance only to benefit himself. For what he blames others, he's a culprit for the same.
He blames me because, I've risen in status on SN very fast and he's just jealous of this. I'm very open and I say I'm here to earn sats to burn him in more jealousy. Already 2m stacked in 10 months.
Isn't it suspicious that he'd keep on calling others names and blaming instead of involving himself in meaningful discussions? Why is he hiding himself on the leaderboard (because you'll see how big a liar he is)?
Ignore him.
I seriously hate that troll like who the fuck does he think he is
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stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.