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143 sats \ 6 replies \ @OT 26 Apr
Do we really need a BIP to know that sats are the standard?
Since money is a social construct its better for it to be learned through that medium.
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Take a look at the details of the BIP. The core intent is to correct how bitcoin is displayed due to people misunderstanding it as supporting floating point while it is actually integral.
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Who cannot understand that 1 BTC = 100M sats is a fucking moron Is so fucking simple:
  • when you deal with Bitcoin onchain you use BTC (eg 0.1BTC)
  • when you deal with Bitcoin on LN you use SATS (eg. 123 sats or 1M sats)
Anything else is a fucking IDIOCY.
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We need @DarthCoin's teachings and ideals to be taught in schools.
Thus we assure that the next generation of Bitcoiner is well awake.
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I'm sure he's a great guy IRL.
perhaps you forget that half of people have an IQ lower than 100.
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RENAMING base unit is unrealistic. There will be always a split between old-naming-users and new-naming-users. Some wallets will get updated. Some will not. It's would be a mess having name collisions like that.
For something realistically doable you need backward compatible change.
More realistic proposal is to DROP the 'bitcoin' name as a unit. Bitcoin name could refer only to the protocol/network. And the currency unit would be sats. If some wallets would lag or not apply the change it would not be a big deal. Eventually everyone would converge to new convention without any name collisions on the way.
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This is just an EGO-BIP. Don't hurt his ego....
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I understand that you think dropping the name bitcoin from Bitcoin is realistic.
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Just read my reply carefully. It contains all the information you need to learn my opinion without twisting it. Here are the relevant parts:
"RENAMING base unit is unrealistic. (...) More realistic proposal is to DROP the 'bitcoin' name as a unit."
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Is this hat for sale?
But this BIP would clear up a lot of confusion. Personally I hate the decimal UI.
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106 sats \ 15 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
Use sats as the denomination and you don’t have decimals.
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Not all apps/wallets do this
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92 sats \ 13 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
Which wallet are you using that doesn’t have this setting?
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SideSwap is one most exchange wallets don’t use sats denomination plus like the BIP explains it’s all bitcoin
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101 sats \ 9 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
That’s the point: it will never be "all bitcoin" or do you really think every single wallet out there will make this BIP their default?
Stacker News will never support this BIP as long as I’m a part of it.
21 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo 26 Apr
is probably a good sign for you to stop using it
Any decent LN wallet is using sats as denomination (except Bitkit). BTC is only for onchain.
31 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 26 Apr
From your security considerations:
Provide clear educational materials and coordinated messaging.
So you think it will be easier to explain to people that bitcoin might not mean bitcoin because some wallets might mean satoshi because they support this BIP while others not, instead of just telling them that 100M satoshis = 1 BTC?
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read what you just wrote as if you were the crazy one and see how much more complicated yours is
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Worst idea
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40 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 26 Apr
I'm already feeling like a whale
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You're welcome! :)
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I think this is a good idea. I've seen so many people confused by UIs that flip between bitcoin and sats. Then they also get confused why there's 100 million satoshis in a bitcoin (not 100 sats per bitcoin like cents to the dollar). Then they get confused by sats vs satoshis, etc.
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 26 Apr
I've said several times that I like the idea. To be effective it needs support from people with very powerful distribution.
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Block survey from a couple years ago. I'm with you John
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @mo 26 Apr
In your proposal, you still referring to the current bitcoin as BTC, ca you elaborate on it?
New display: ₿10,000 or 10,000 bitcoins or 0.00010000 BTC
is BTC the unit used by financial systems so it stays unchanged? I mean why
BTC as a currency code remains unchanged
when everything else SHOULD change?
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It's this way because of the formal feedback that was given about the BIP. So I acknowledge that stock tickers are rationally an external spec.
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Don’t mind it but it’s too late. Inertia.
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there was a time before "sats"
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Yes, and a lot has changed since then. People are used to sats, they are likely to continue to use sats unless something significant compels them otherwise.
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I did the math a while ago. There's probably less than 100k people who know what a sat is. Less than 10k who actually use the word sat regularly and/or care about it.
That's 0.0001% of the world's population. Bitcoin is for the remaining 99.99%
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That's fair.
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I am not one of those people. I feel clowny saying "sats".
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
Believe it or not I am seeing a lot of new support for this BIP
Show us
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for example
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100 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
Link? You just sent me a screenshot of your own tweet.
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it's photoshopped you shouldnt believe me
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 26 Apr
I don’t believe you, that’s why I asked for a link.

Properties of Money

  1. Store of value (21M)
  2. Medium of exchange ( P2P)
  3. Unit of account (sats)
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nym 19h
I think that would confuse people even more. Nowhere in the Bitcoin docs already don't say that is uses floating-point numbers.
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I support this. The code refers to bitcoins as a sum of the base unit, so that would mean that the original intent satoshi had with the first code was to think of the smallest unit as bitcoins.
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Hey OP with all due respect... GFY
Thanks
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The confusion with names is just a matter of adapting to new concepts for those who start to have bitcoin. I don't see any use for this BIP considering that in the future this opens the way for name changes to suit current users within the code, and a hardfork would be needed for this.
I personally don't like the term "sats", but it's a consensus like in a living language, so I'll keep using it.
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there's a Russian proverb: when cat has nothing to do he licks his nuts
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sox 26 Apr
Wow, I'm gonna support you:
  1. Find a mirror
  2. Take a look at it
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what a bullshit
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