You can see the "gun" (which looks like it is an "Ideal Conceal IC380") at 8:54, 8:57, and 9:01.

At 9:18 is when the actual shooting happens. You can see the guys hands together at his chest, and they're shaking like there's recoil, but you don't see the actual gun.

I'm looking at the rumble version, and have it slowed down, it's easier to notice things https://rumble.com/v6z0h9y-this-is-how-they-shot-charlie-kirk.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_m

And I've been looking carefully at the guy in the white baseball cap. At some points, it appears he's pointing his cell phone (?) right at Charlie Kirk's neck. Like at 9:06. Weird? Why would he do that?

To me it looks like there's significant recoil on the gun that he's holding, right when Charlie slumps. And then there's something right before that - maybe him assembling the gun, or a misfire or something.

And what about the guy in the white baseball cap, who's holding a device that looks like a cell phone, that seems to be pointed at Charlie's neck? Maybe that's somehow related to the shooting.

It's like with magicians - it's really hard to figure out how exactly "the magic" happens...but it does happen.

Do you know of any collection of videos somewhere? I'd really be interested in seeing them.

I have had multiple people that I know - that I have never talked politics with - mention recently in the course of standard conversation how there's so much "anti-Semitism" around now.

I didn't challenge them. But I think to them, absolutely any commentary about the war in Gaza that isn't completely pro-Israel is anti-Semitism.

Apparently much of Charlie Kirks financial support came from the deep-pocketed Jewish donors, very closely allied to Israel. That's why he was (originally) uncritically supportive of Israel.

Do you have any more details about why you dismiss the baseball signals with the security guards? In what way are they normal?

Also, I read somewhere else that there are versions of this video (I haven't seen them myself) that have SCRUBBED the guy who appears to be the shooter.

When you say "Our Church", which church are you referring to?

Charlie said in this interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2qn0mvSCig&ab_channel=MegynKelly "I have less freedom to criticize Israel than Israeli citizens have. And that's weird, very weird".

As a matter of fact, I checked out a semi-mainstream Israeli newspaper (https://www.haaretz.com/), and it was full of articles that would cause you to be called anti-Semitic, in the US. You can read some articles via archive.vn if you want.

Have you all actually looked at the video carefully? I thought it was very convincing, literally a "smoking gun", almost.

What's interesting is that the first time I went through it, I literally DID NOT SEE the guy with his hands up to his chest, with the alleged gun.

It took a another viewing to see. There's just so much going on, and your mind is trying to take everything in.

The theory that I heard (and this is just me reporting what I have heard and seen online) is that he was a huge pro Israeli voice, with an enormous youth following - the largest in the US, and probably the world.

But the Israelis knew, from surveillance, that he was wavering in his support, and starting to question if the US should be funding Israel. He had rejected offerings of enormous sums of money from Israel for his foundation, and said no to a personal request from Netanyahu to come visit Israel. And he was moving FURTHER in that direction.

So - and this is the theory - they decided to do away with him while they could call him a hero of Israel.

There's tons of people who are anti Israel. But they don't have his following, and weren't previously huge prominent supporters of Israel, that changed their mind.

Check out the video from a previous post of mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2qn0mvSCig&ab_channel=MegynKelly. Look at Charlie Kirk's face.

What is the rude awakening going to be, do you think?

That, to me, is one of the most suspicious things.

Why on EARTH wouldn't you at least have a couple drones up there, buzzing around? They're are SO CHEAP now and SO EASY.

That absolutely doesn't make sense.

Could you link to the Laser Guy on nostr?

No. I was perfectly willing to believe the trans shooter theory.

If I hadn't listened to the Liberty Lockdown podcast a while back, and also in general known about a lot of situations where the official narrative was false, I wouldn't have looked into it.

I think the Maga crowd has been split. Half of them are completely pro Israel, and the other half not any more. And the younger half is the later.

I didn't hear that he actually confessed the crime to his parents.

One other piece of info - the head of the Utah FBI was recently replaced, like a month ago. Apparently she was very well respected, and had just been put into that position.

This is the old FBI head - https://www.ksl.com/article/51318723/new-head-of-salt-lake-fbi-office-made-dramatic-career-shift-to-be-part-of-the-solution

Here's AI on it: Mehtab Syed, the former Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Salt Lake City field office, was replaced by Robert Bohls, who has been in the role for less than a month as of September 11, 2025. Bohls has since taken the lead in the public briefings regarding the ongoing manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer. Syed was reportedly forced out in August 2025, just months after her appointment in February, with officials stating she was “not a good fit for the office”.

I don't know that "pushed by mainstream media" equals "straightforward".

It's top of mind, sure, but not straightforward, to me. Just the videos about this guy apparently jumping off a building and running away, all the while apparently having a rifle shoved down his pants - all very fishy. And the many clothing changes, and the disassembling of the rifle, and reassembling, to finally leave it in the woods - fishy.

I'm looking forward to the next Clint Russell talk on this topic. I don't think he'll let go.

Now I'm wishing that I had saved everything that I've seen and organize it carefully. Saved the videos, everything. It's so easy for things to be deleted.

From what I've seen of mainstream response, the only ones who WILL investigate are the "conspiracy theorists".

Mainstream media has everyone completely convinced they "got their man".

The accused is not willing to take the fall.

Apparently originally it was said that he "confessed" but right now he's not cooperating.

Also the other guy, long curly hair and beard, who jumped up and down and made a huge commotion.

Weren't there a total of at least 3 people who were very pointedly doing things that in retrospect seem very much like deliberate distractions?