Nearly one year ago I run a poll, wondering what would be the most attached wallet to SN as it moved away form custodial service. NWC seemed to be the most voted. Only k00b know if that reflect true data.
Anyway, 2025 Cowboy Credits (CCs) have been a big things, discussed, analyzed, criticized, clarified, and now even traded in an open market. Despite all the effort made to move to non-custodial, now SN has a in-game token that could entirely replace sats and allow new (and existing) users to interact without attaching a Lightning wallet to SN. @remindme in 365 days[1] to see what happen!
[1] This poll will stay open for an entire year, we will check again what happen in 2026!
So the question now is:
Would you attach your Lightning Node to SN now that we have CCs?Would you attach your Lightning Node to SN now that we have CCs?
Yes, Both ways50.0%
Only to Zap sats0.0%
Only to Receive Sats8.3%
I'll use only CCs33.3%
Just lurking0.0%
Whut?0.0%
Just want to see the responses8.3%
12 votes \ 361 days left
Incredible but very few stackers understand my position towards CCs.
One of the major innovations for SN, together with other previous intents, is to attach real (for bitcoiners in this case) economic value to user initiated actions and interactions across the website.
The 1cc=1sat conversion has been proved valid only when buying CCs, otherwise, like anything else, they loose value in the moment they are minted, -30% for stackers, -9% for territory founders. Amounts that SN partially take as profit and redistribute across community members.
SimpleStacker made an extensive analysis on the behavioral dynamics reflected in the data, despite this, I struggle to see SN exclusively running on CCs. With your approach, are you suggestion cc-sat pegging to be removed? What would happen if everyone adopt your approach and use exclusively CCs?
Let's be honest: all this have no value and most of users are coming here with the promise they will "earn sats" for shitposting.
IS ALL WRONG.
CCs are just like any in-game currency credits. That's all. And those that came to SN with the bullshit idea of earning sats will attach WoS or any other crap custodial account. So literally they exchange CCs for another CCs.
In the pre CCs era everything was just fine.
SN should not do that anymore. Keep the sats as fees to maintain SN
Not for me. I am perfectly fine posting using CCs and I almost no need to buy new ones (minting). Why? Because CCs are like a circular economy INSIDE SN. This is the part where most of stackers do not get it.
I do not have to take out my sats (CCs) from SN, I just reuse them to post more. That's all.
Yes, definitely, but SN as registered business was at risk. That's why CCs came. Should then SN just sell CCs for sats, remove rewards, and allow only custodial solutions to be attached? What else from your CC-maxi perspective should be done to bring back the initial SN bitcoin-only flavor?
hahaha you still believe that crap reason of "registered business at risk for using sats"?
Cmon maaan... you are too gullible for that crap. Nobody gives a shit about SN using sats for shitposting
And BTW... the MTL do not apply to Bitcoin, only to fiat and banks.
I didn't say that. I said the opposite.
Me? ahaha, no thanks. But probably k00b (or his investors, lawyers, or accountants) do. Otherwise, what other reason could justify CCs? Just the introduction of gamification?
Has been discussed here somewhere, can't find the post now
I will repeat: CCs are good for SN. Yes, SN is a game and needs an "in-game currency". And paying those credits with sats only is perfectly fine. But most of people still do not understand this game.
SN in order to survive and later thrive must...
In a Bitcoin world EVERYTHING is a "must pay" service and not assmilk.
And that's why I always said:
but very few people really understand or pay attention to my words.
Even Car and ek are considering me "the enemy of SN", when in fact is exactly the opposite and all my critics are for a good thing, because I can see far more than many others how a "bitcoin world" will look like.
I look forward to see what will happen this year. Paying (whatever currency) for value is human unconscious behavior anyway.
Darth.
Cowboy Credits are not the innovation.
Sats aka BITCOIN that’s used in real time on social media is the innovation.
Cowboy credits are Chucky Cheese tokens they are NOT money.
People come to Stacker News for value… because their time is valuable and they want higher quality discussion that’s rewarded with SATS. SATS are the innovation not chucky cheese tokens or ‘YouTube likes’.
SATS are an early implementation of the Lightning-based economy they are, if imperfect, the entire point.
anons do not provide any value here on SN... are just anons paying to post.
The value on SN is the information exchanged, not the sats.
Zaping sats to each others is kind of dumb.
But paying to post is the innovation. And is workinng. See? you as anon, you only PAY TO POST, you cannot get sats hahahahaha
Who came here on SN to "earn sats" missed the entire point of SN.
We pay for groceries.
We pay for electricity.
And we shouldn’t pay for the “information exchanged?”
Why not???
Paying and earning sats for quality information is what makes SN special
You pay to post. That's all.
Freedom of speech is not free speech...
Sats in sats out.
They shouldn’t only be one way
SN “running on CCs” exclusively….
Would be a complete and total utter catastrophe.
CCs are not bitcoin and they are not sats.
You understand nothing and/or you are just an assmilker that only want to milk sats from others...
SN is not a "post to earn sats" is a "pay to post".
You’re being a moron, sorry.
As an anon I can contribute to stacker news without expecting ANY ‘sats in return’ or “ass-milking”.
The concept of which, is ridiculous
Please keep posting as anon.
Uso speed wallet hasta ahora me sirve bien pero quiero tener ambos casos para no tener que estar enviando aquí otra vez
Cinsidera la billetera veloz una trampa, ya que ahora está financiada por T. Has probabo @Rizful ya? Eso es verdad, es disponible solo en ingles.
By the way, if you want to attach your wallet, I've written small guides to help you attach your preferred wallet to SN.
SN should remove the option to attach a custodial account. Otherwise all this crazy shit with attached wallets is for nothing.
Do you think we will go back at the initial stage where only LND and CLN nodes where attachable?
What other non-custodial solutions SN should focus on?
SN should go back to the initial model, pre-CCs. But I don't think they will accept that, too much virtual signaling in the game of using "self-custodial" wallet. SN is trying to copy the model of nostr zaps, disguised in a weak reason that is to "avoid MTL".
In fact is just a hidden way to scrap sats from users.
I always said: SN is and must be a "pay to post" game. And SN could thrive from that. Nobody is saying that SN should not charge a fee. Any online service must pay the bills and there are a lot of expenses to pay. We all understand that. But don't lie to the users with hidden bullshit reasons.
The pre-CCs era was just fine, the only thing remain is to remove the daily rewards. At all. Rewards should be ONLY zaps from generous users. All the rest will be fees, fees for SN and for territory managers.
Let's cut this crap with "SN is paying you sats"...
That's the worse marketing slogan ever... imagine if YT did the same in the early days: we pay you cents to upload and like videos. It just sounds howful.
True is the early days around here were much funnier, lot of people left because of this "tokenization", that, in the other end, protects SN from "authoritarian" attacks (as is a registered business, what else we should expect?)
What do you mean by "disguised in a weak reason that is to "avoid MTL""?
SN presented this reason publicly to mislead any further "investigation"... call it more like a "plausible deniability".
But is weak, because MTL do not apply to Bitcoin.
They left because they didn't truly understand the meaning of CCs. Maybe they never played a damn game with in-game money...
Again most of them fall for the crap reason of "self-custodial" wallet and "earn sats"... and they got scared when they saw CCs, with the idea of tokens. But they do not realize that those tokens are PAID with sats ONLY.
IMHO most of them were assmilkers.
For me CCs are OK. I can use them endlessly inside SN. Using sats outside of SN, is another story.
Lol, that's a good theory!
When the faucet is closed, rats are running wild...
I attach my node through NWC. Many stackers already do, to the best of my knowledge.
I agree NWC is the most efficient way to attach a wallet to SN.