With this I agree and disagree. Maximalism has played an important role. Just like christians when christianity was a radical jewish sect. Or like cypherpunks with their nascent cryptography. However, as something expands and gets more mainstream and its confidence curve flattens, the fundamentalism dissipates.

On the issue of fiat maximalism, I'll argue that the BTC/USD pair is the money/currency pair that will pac-man the world, and we'll get nowhere beyond where we are without it, just as it's been required for 15 years, with zero sign of disuniting, even when China owned a majority of hashpower and was mining a huge percentage of total issuance. The closer these two get, the closer we get to entering the actual bend in the parabola. The sooner they're both represented on the bitcoin network, the sooner every currency pair in the world is dead. And with the LN, PLTC, stablecoin regulation, etc, we're close to inscribing the atomic unit, satoshi.

Conspiratorial politics refers to a pattern of seeing aliens, pedophiles, nazis, communism, sabotage, racism, unsolved murders, missing bodies, crisis actors, and various TikTok trends in the way Bill Gates crosses his legs or Donald Trump parts his hair.

Well, guess you must be new around here. Correct me if I am wrong.

I think when considering the fork wars; consistent uninformed attacks on bitcoin from mass media or bankers; being put into the same pot as shitcoins; your own social circle not showing any interest in this "magic internet money"; people not getting absolute basics like "not your keys, not your coins" and everything else that happened between now and 2009, it's not surprising people got really toxic about bitcoin, lol

You start to just not give a fuck about people anymore and ultimately become a "toxic bitcoin maximalist" since most won't listen anyway.

Kind of like a spin on:

Now, I don't want to say that I am an OG or anything (I only really started to look into bitcoin in 2020) but I know my view on the toxicity changed over time.

Now I can see that it's just people trying to tell others to not do the same mistakes over and over again and getting really fed up with stupid stuff like 20% APY lol

Also I am not sure if this was ever part of the question.

I think you can be a "toxic bitcoin maxi" and still put family, health and friends before bitcoin.

For those who believe God as well

Cant take care of any of those if they steal all your wealth.

но за будущее твоих внуков думать нужно...

I can understand how it was important, especially in the beginning to have hyper dedicated and obsessed people to keep the nascent thing healthy, kind of like the early radical jewish sect of christians who gave their lives for their beliefs, but as it grows it needs a lighter more palatable touch to proliferate. Not people like me using slurs.

I used to be one early on, not extreme, but groupthink and beholden. I'm glad for platforms like these and people like you Busybe3z. 🍻

Did you ever stop to consider that they all got that way by investing in shitcoins themselves and getting horribly rekt?

The intended use of bitcoin. There's validity there in that argument. I'd say the three BIPs that make Taproot is the right design pattern, because it's required for the LN to scale, augment privacy, and take its next steps. Taproot is a part of bitcoin now. Perhaps you agree with that, but what I see with Ordinals is no different than taking advantage of game mechanics to speedrun a game, except each time you play it you're getting slower, until you're back to the same game. Ordinals is an unintended consequence, an emergent behavior, but it's augmenting the security of the system, not damaging it, as a systems engineer that's more telling to me of incredibly robust system design.

If bitcoin cant withstand an attack, its not worth anything. Us being annoyed with how bitcoin is used is proof we still haven't given up our fascist impulses.

C'mon now, take a deep breath. The culture is changing. One more tough macro month (March) until the death cycle of winter gives onto spring. Ahhhhh. Release. Ahhh. Nice. Now you can pull out.

Thanks Hodlnaut, may faketoshi be with you.

This was a really fantastic reply @21stackage. Thx for this.

wut you dont equate ordinals with sodomy ?

you rayciss ?

Yeah, and mostly it's a bitcoin twitter algo thing, I swear you get to platforms like this and things are much less rigid.

Great reply. You described it perfectly.

Amen!

Yes.

Human rights is a way to mask our greed, but the important issues with human rights were never going to be solved by just bitcoin and access to basic remittance, but technology at large, and increases in technological efficiency to where the floor is raised for everyone, or, the welfare state achieves marginal cost.

One of the many efficiencies achieved will be money itself, and it will enable proliferation, abundance. But it will be via bitcoin base and usd quote. Bitcoiners think they can separate the btc/usd pair, but they can't, and are quite dishonest about it. The closer these become, the faster the technological parabola accelerates, including what it (bitcoindollars) can do for energy, esp energy efficiency.

I'm saying we're full of shit. Acting like NgU and real wealth incentives aren't critical for the network to operate (go look at the history of the testnet mess before centralized signet). Pretending we give a shit wether or not shitcoiners lose their money (we care about diverted attention from our network, thus our stack). Acting like we care about poverty abroad when it's camping all over outside our front doors. Acting like most are not one-issue voters. Acting like bitcoin will transition the world's value without the usd. Acting like CBDCs carry more spyware than the phone you're using now (spyware is just one issue). Acting like anarcho capitalist fiefdoms are an improvement to our 1st world lives. Acting like our first world lives aren't amazing already. Acting like bitcoin layer one is a place the majority of the world will be transacting or saving. Acting like the masses will ever know or care how bitcoin works or why it works any more than they do their car engine. We're greedy liars you, I, and the rest. And the network's hardness reflects that.

Fatalism is stupid. I believe I have some agency in my life

Yes bubbles, square those shoulders. Not only is bitcoin just handling it, its hashpower is expanding, a thousand more nodes have come online, more network Taproot support, more developers, and neutered maxis like ourselves with voices two octaves higher now.