Step by step, slowly slowly, SN is going into the nostr integration path, and we are really looking forward to the more implementations coming. The fact that polls now can be cross posted on nostr is a big deal. At least for us here in the ~AGORA! We are having some engagement onn nostr, more than here, people is liking, zapping and reposting @AG0RA posts, old ones and new and we are wondering if it's maybe worth to reactivate it. Let's see how we go...
We all know about nostr, no need to be repetitive. The internet is already filled with over 3 millions search results about it... Check it out. The great deal with nostr is that enables to post classified listings in the same way you publish an article or a comment. Therefore, there's a big difference on content type between articple comments and classifieds listings. We gonna explore why Ads could be more successful than jobs and hoe it could all look inside SN universe.

Jobs are Dead

SN atm only allows jobs to be posted in a centralized and controlled manner, only on one territory. Why? ~Jobs is one of the first territory, it actually was there before territories were a thing. Job listings are somehow related with ads, but in reality it is a totally different industry. An industry related with the old fiat mentality, a slavery machine that has really little to do with the bitcoin community, open source and collaboration. Defining Ads-post as you'll read, jobs could be crossposted as listings into nostr too, and might they will lose the meaning and value of being published as per se here on SN. What we are witnessing is exactly that... ~jobs here in SN are dead, like @ad: we wish both a good R.I.P. at least for now, you never know they might resurrect for Easter!
Therefore, the dream of having an Ad-post has already been discussed, especially with @supratic as a variation of the job-post type. This post is the continuation of the idea that, is evolving to bring it all together, connecting the dots and help us to share this utopia with the hope that someone will pick it up and submit a PR to implement the functionality into SN...
As code still a mystery for us, even we tried to navigate the repo, and confirm we are damn far far away from being comfortable duplicating that job-form.js to create an ad-form.js. And our guess is that the implementation needs to go much further than simply that, because -- and not only-- the nostr integration.
We'll continue then experimenting with what we know and can do: we've been playing around and posted whatever item offered on our merch store into nostr with various clients. Sometime successfully, others not… let's focus on the good experiences:

C-ORACLE

The first one getting my attention a while ago was CORACLE. It has a MARKET tab just there, available to anyone to start scrolling down a multitude of listings. The good fact, in this case, is that the products are pre-filtered by default, showing only those posted by nostriches you follow. Isn't that an ingenious idea? It is, so the AGORA shop there look's something like this:
You can have a look from this link

Shopstr

Second-best option we found surfing the nostr wave was Shopstr.store. Really intuitive and clean interface that easily allows anyone to dive into the multitude and variety of items that people are randomly posting around the globe! In this case, no filters, you just scroll down chronologically, util the genesis. You'll be amused by the variety of products one can find there (together with many test and scams). Our merch, as it was published as kind 30402 showed up like magic without adding any input! Just had to click on My Listings
You can check our profile from this link

Listing Ads on SN

So, how those listings could look in the AGORA? Until now these have been great findings and funny tests. But the aim of this post isn't showcasing GoodStrs and magicwebstores here and there. Indeed, we do have a need to exchange and trade stuff, and the goal is to help us all understand how we could envision Ads/Classifieds embedded into SN, for the good and the bed ... and the ugly they might look ;p So we use the tools we've on our side and that's the results we got playing with a bit of HTML and CSS:
This could be the ~AGORA territory with featured image and image gallery implemented
And this could be the user profile with a dedicated ads/classifieds tab

It's kind of satisfying to check how it could look. All these are obviously just ideas (for now), we are happy to sharing here to know what you all think about it. This exercise give us opportunity to share our vision not only for the ~AGORA, but also for SN as a powerful tool that --as we know, enable to share knowledge, but-- why now, could enable stacker to trade items and share and list any arbitrary product, service, or other thing for sale or offer. All leveraging the power of nostr NIP-99 metadata to make them useful to the entire world.
And just to be clear, don't want this to be a specific feature for the ~AGORA like the job-post is for ~jobs. Emphatically, with the multi-territory cross-posting coming soon, stackers will be ideally allowed to post their Ad-posts on multiple territories at the same time. The ~AGORA only want to be the territory that collect them all in an organized and classified way, for other stackers and curious visitors to easily find what they are looking for. There are already some ideas on how it will come up together with the sub-territories implementation. Stay humble (tuned) and stack sats, because at some stage you might need to spend them. Just be careful and don't spend them all!
Thanks for reading until here, and if you are an entrepreneur, merchant or seller, please share your insights below. I'd love to hear from you.

MAY EVERY DEAL ₿RING JOY TO YOUR ~AGORA AD-VENTURES!

120 sats \ 7 replies \ @AG fwd 7 Mar
The conversation that @moneyball and @fiatjaf kicked off more than a year ago still valid, never is too late! @k00b @kr @ek & more hope you can read this when you can. Your feedback will be much appreciated.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 7 Mar
I see no conversation, this is all I see:
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It's because you are not logged in, X now allow visitors to see just the post but not the thread. Nitter isn't here anymore...
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 8 Mar
Mhh, don't have an account and don't want to create one at this point. :/
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110 sats \ 2 replies \ @AG fwd 8 Mar
@moneyball: How should @stacker_news integrate with nostr?

@fiatjaf: I've been trying to convince @k00b for years! I think it would be a great fit. Just move the entire Stacker News content to a custom Nostr relay, make the default client talk primarily to that relay -- but configurable. Then add some extra proprietary quirks on top. | : The main point is that it would be interoperable with the external Nostr network. Other people would be able to comment on Stacker News content from outside, and vice-versa. | : If Stacker News link posts were made like https://nostr-comments.web.app https://github.com/saiy2k/nostr-comments-widget-react then people would be able to comment from normal twitter-like clients even.

@dksf: in a noisy world Stacker News would provide a lot of signal

@nvk: Don’t stop there, add cashu tokens or LN self hosted instead of IOUs.

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 8 Mar
Other people would be able to comment on Stacker News content from outside, and vice-versa.
Seems like we're mostly only missing the ability from nostr > SN since SN > nostr already works (but still room for improvement as always)
No need to rebuild SN on nostr in that case. I don't see why you need to run a nostr relay if you just want to integrate / be interoperable with nostr:
Just move the entire Stacker News content to a custom Nostr relay
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missing the ability from nostr > SN
I honestly would not suggest that. SN it's nice because does not have all that noise. But it will be really cool to have a full working SN > nostr integration
I don't see why you need to run a nostr relay
Because you want still people to pay Xsats for posting and commenting, if SN own and manage a relay I think it would be possible. So keep what's generated inside Sn in the SN relay, but also enable to be broadcasted in the network.
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127 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 7 Mar
@kr and I discussed how self serve ads should work this week. It'll come.
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Nice, looking forward to it!
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That would bring the joy back. 'jobs are needless' as territory and we need to shift the fiat mentality towards Bitcoin mindset. For this we need a workforce fully committed like the SN community. And what better place could be if this all implemented on SN.
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That's exactly the point! It is understandable that jobs might bring some revenue for SN, but are totally against bitcoin morality and ethics, nor provide support to stackers to become sovereign individuals, as most of us here are claiming to be.
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Bit premature (and quite frankly disingenuous) to say ~jobs and ads are dead. They haven’t been the sole focus of the team, but they continuously support the rewards of the site. And offer untapped potential in future. People are mostly still coming to SN to discuss, not to sell.
Seems to me more like ~AGORA is struggling to get traction on SN as a viable territory, and so makes sense why you’d consider an alternative platform at this time.
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Thanks, always appreciate your valuable opinion. True is the AGORA isn't doing as good as other territories, but it's nice to see some first organic ads there.
What do you mean with consider an alternative platform?
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Shopstr and Coracle 👌
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @joda 7 Mar
How does one deal with seller reputation and disputes? Bonds like on p2p trading platforms? People with long-standing nostr identities and SN accounts have some incentive to play nice, but I haven't really thought it through.
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NO bonds, NO third parties here; SN will not be the one to complain with if anything goes wrong. DYOR applies here too! So make sure the seller you are dealing with has a reputation and long history before making any deal. Ask questions publicly is always the best way to find out if a profile is a scammer or has bad intentions
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